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Old 04-17-2013, 06:43 PM   #41
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oh man now people can just go to a gun show and buy from gun dealers without background checks...

This was nothing more than a feeble attempt to get anything passed so they can say they did something.
I think you're being sarcastic, but just to clear it up, anyone buying from a dealer at a gun show is required by law to undergo a background check. That is already law
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Old 04-17-2013, 06:56 PM   #42
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All this gun control and immigration hoopla is media-driven. Americans barely care about it.
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I think you're being sarcastic, but just to clear it up, anyone buying from a dealer at a gun show is required by law to undergo a background check. That is already law
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While Obama and everyone is up in arms at the moment, let's not forget that there were alternate plans considered as well. The Grassley-Cruz Bill was a fantastic bill, complete with quite a bit of funding to improve safety in a number of areas. If I recall correctly, that bill did almost as well in the voting as the Toomey solution. And guess who primarily voted that bill down? Dems.

So don't criticize the right for not doing something. The left didn't do anything either. They blocked another proposed amendment.
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Lol only 4% of Americans think gun control is a important issue, per gallop
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Lol only 4% of Americans think gun control is a important issue, per gallop
But..but..90% of that 4% are in favor of universal background checks!
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This is just stupid. The "hurr durr, no gun laws of any kind" mentality reeks of ignorance.

No one had any good reason to vote against this. The NRA is a self-serving organization with little interest in what's good for the country.
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This is just stupid. The "hurr durr, no gun laws of any kind" mentality reeks of ignorance.

No one had any good reason to vote against this. The NRA is a self-serving organization with little interest in what's good for the country.
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Oooh! Good one!

What is your objection to this bill?
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This is just stupid. The "hurr durr, no gun laws of any kind" mentality reeks of ignorance.

No one had any good reason to vote against this. The NRA is a self-serving organization with little interest in what's good for the country.
Jimmies rustled? I'm sure the Dems will take another shot at this in the not so distant future.
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Here's the poll where the 87% number comes from:

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Se...April-2013.pdf

Do you support or oppose legislation that would require background checks for private gun sales and sales at gun shows?
NATIONAL ADULTS April 2013
Support 87
Oppose 12
Unsure 1
Total 100

The BS part about that is that background checks are already required for the vast majority of gun show sales. I support background checks for people buying guns from gun dealers at gun shows, so I would be part of that 87%, even though I'm strongly against any expansion of the background check laws.
This is a statistically-sound poll. From my survey sampling and experimental design experience, this was well-conducted.
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The majority do not want mandatory background checks. Rhumb's 90% number was from a BS ABC poll that had misleading questions. CNN's latest polls show that the majority of respondents disapprove of Obama's attempts to strengthen gun control laws.

Personally, here's how I view mandatory gun background checks: Right now if a criminal wants to buy a gun, he has to go to a criminal buddy and buys a gun that was stolen. No background check required. If a law abiding woman gets threatened by an abusive ex boyfriend and is in fear of her life, she can either buy a brand new gun and go through a background check (which may take a few minutes or a few days depending on backlog) . . or she can borrow or buy a gun from a friend or neighbor. They want to pass a law that says she has to go through a background check to even borrow that gun or else she becomes a felon. The law doesn't affect the criminal in any way, it only makes it harder for law abiding citizens to purchase guns when they need them. The proposed law wouldn't have stopped any of the recent mass shootings.
so is your answer for every problem gonna be to get a gun? That girl in fear for life needs to contact the proper authorities, not take the law into her own hands.
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i don't have any problems with background checks in order to buy a gun. i also don't believe guns are a problem therefore background checks aren't a solution to anything.
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so is your answer for every problem gonna be to get a gun? That girl in fear for life needs to contact the proper authorities, not take the law into her own hands.
You're not serious, are you?

You don't really want to get started on a chat about the impotence of restraining orders, do you? You don't really want to start talking about the number of women assaulted or killed by an SO/ex-SO, do you? You don't really want to talk about the police posting officers outside the home of every woman that's threatened by an SO, do you?

Are you seriously advocating a stance that it's ok if the govt prevents a law abiding citizen from possessing a gun because the "proper authorities" will always be there to take sole responsibility for protecting her?
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You're not serious, are you?

You don't really want to get started on a chat about the impotence of restraining orders, do you? You don't really want to start talking about the number of women assaulted or killed by an SO/ex-SO, do you? You don't really want to talk about the police posting officers outside the home of every woman that's threatened by an SO, do you?

Are you seriously advocating a stance that it's ok if the govt prevents a law abiding citizen from possessing a gun because the "proper authorities" will always be there to take sole responsibility for protecting her?
The sad part is that there are many in this country that have the same mindset. So naive
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This is just stupid. The "hurr durr, no gun laws of any kind" mentality reeks of ignorance.

No one had any good reason to vote against this. The NRA is a self-serving organization with little interest in what's good for the country.
I've heard this stated several times. Why should anyone give up Constitutional rights in favor of a vague and nebulous idea of "what's good for the country"? Is there any evidence that this would be good for the country as a whole, or that the burdens imposed would be appropriately offset by benefits?
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I've heard this stated several times. Why should anyone give up Constitutional rights in favor of a vague and nebulous idea of "what's good for the country"? Is there any evidence that this would be good for the country as a whole, or that the burdens imposed would be appropriately offset by benefits?
There is not a shred of evidence that this particular bill would be good for the country as a whole.
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This is a statistically-sound poll. From my survey sampling and experimental design experience, this was well-conducted.
There are various other polls coming to roughly the same conclusion that some 80-90% of Americans of all stripes are in favor of gun sales background checks. Basically there's no getting around that this idea is remarkably and broadly popular.

So, if 90% of the GOP Senators (and a few Blue Dog Dems) voted against something that 90% of Americans are for, just who are they actually representing then?
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Why should anyone give up Constitutional rights in favor of a vague and nebulous idea of "what's good for the country"?
What constitutional right? If you can't buy a gun from a dealer without a background check, why should you be able to do buy it without a background check in any other scenario?

Besides, I wasn't talking about the bill as good for the country, but the actions of the NRA being counterproductive to the entire legislative process.

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Is there any evidence that this would be good for the country as a whole, or that the burdens imposed would be appropriately offset by benefits?
Again. If you can't buy a gun from a dealer without a background check, why should you be able to do buy it without a background check in any other scenario?

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Is it good for the country that we require background checks for purchases from dealers, but not for purchases from private persons or gun shows?
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Just shows the senate, as usual, is ignoring their constituents and doing whatever they get outside funding to do.
Wait, what? You didn't jump through enough hoops in NJ to try and get your gun? You think we need MORE regulations?
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