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Old 08-22-2007, 01:55 PM   #1
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Rear speaker replacement - Touring

Does anyone have step-by-step instructions for removing the speakers in the rear hatch of E46 Touring (station wagon) models? I have a 2002 325iT with Harman Kardon. Thanks in advance for your help!
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Old 04-23-2008, 01:59 AM   #2
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way late.. but are you referring to the subs? You need to remove the side covers.
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Old 03-13-2013, 12:32 PM   #3
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I know this is a brutally old thread, but it's all my search turned up and I have this exact question. Does anyone have a DIY on removing those rear mid-bass units?

(I love how you get flamed for not searching and you get flamed for bringing up old threads that you turn up in a search!)
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Old 03-13-2013, 10:57 PM   #4
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This is a decent DIY - http://welshman187.blogspot.ca/2012/...r-speaker.html
It's not that bad, just time consuming.
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Old 03-13-2013, 11:27 PM   #5
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thanks lab rat...

according to the photo his DIY, the stock speakers back there are 6.5 rounds... for some reason I was under the impression (reading stuff, as well as seeing the rectangular speaker grille) that the mid-bass units back there were 6x9s!

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Old 03-14-2013, 07:54 AM   #6
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What BMW is calling subs are a pair 6X9's on the parcel shelf driven by a measly 40W amp. Well, in the sedans and coupes anyway. Don't know about the wagon.

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Old 03-14-2013, 09:48 AM   #7
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Don't know about the wagon.
You're just trying to raise your post count with arbitrary, irrelevant submissions, aren't you?

Kidding.

Anyway, yeah, I thought the wagon was a 6x9, too. But you can see from the pic above that it's a 6.5 round. Well, that car is in the UK, so maybe we have something different in the states.

When it gets warmer, I'll attempt the teardown, too, just to see what's back there. I'll have to find the amp, too.
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Old 03-14-2013, 10:29 AM   #8
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There is some confusion about the size of the touring speakers. I believe they are all 6.5 round but there might be models with 6x9. I accidentaly discovered a quick way to find out. It has to be dark. Put a flashlight right up against the grille.
If you have an amp it will be behind the left trunk panel. I have pretty much identical car and it didn't come with amp. No speakers in the rear doors.
My plan is to find 5 channel amp small enough to fit under the small cover between the rear seats and spare wheel (about 20x7.5x2.5 inches). Infinity Kappa Five would easily fit there and I think it has speaker level inputs. Components for the front, nothing in rear doors, 2way 6.5s in the trunk and 8" free air sub in the CD changer area.
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Old 03-14-2013, 10:32 AM   #9
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There is some confusion about the size of the touring speakers. I believe they are all 6.5 round but there might be models with 6x9. I accidentaly discovered a quick way to find out. It has to be dark. Put a flashlight right up against the grille.
Brilliant!

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Old 03-14-2013, 07:06 PM   #10
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From what I've read, the HK system has 6x9s in the back, and the base system has 6.5" round. Either way, they're crap speakers, a pain to get at, and nothing good will fit there due to the lack of mounting depth.

In my car, I unplugged the left speaker and have the wire hanging back and accessible from the side panel. When I'm not carrying stuff, I plug a sub box into it (2ohm total, like the stock speaker) and it sounds reasonable. Without the sub box, the car has better-balanced bass with only one rear speaker working.
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Old 03-15-2013, 10:22 PM   #11
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That's cool. For $50 you can upgrade the speaker brackets to 6x9 and get bigger speakers in there. Maybe I wouldn't need the sub then.
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From what I've read, the HK system has 6x9s in the back, and the base system has 6.5" round. Either way, they're crap speakers, a pain to get at, and nothing good will fit there due to the lack of mounting depth.
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For $50 you can upgrade the speaker brackets to 6x9 and get bigger speakers in there.
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How much depth are we talking about?
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Old 03-16-2013, 01:13 AM   #14
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The back is at an angle, so available depth depends on magnet diameter. Generally, I wouldn't expect more than about 2 inches, and it may be less. I looked last fall, and just immediately discounted the possibility of putting anything there.

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From what I've read, the HK system has 6x9s in the back, and the base system has 6.5" round. Either way, they're crap speakers, a pain to get at, and nothing good will fit there due to the lack of mounting depth.
I have hk and 6x9s in the rear. FWIW, I had e36 m3 in the past with HK audio and the e46 version is way better in sound quality. I'll have to check again but I thought the last time I had the rear speakers off, there was a decent amount of depth.
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Old 04-23-2013, 11:29 PM   #16
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I'm gonna take the trim out in the near future and document the size and shape of the available space. I'm leaning towards the 8 inch free air sub in the left trunk panel (using the CD changer space).
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Old 04-24-2013, 08:02 AM   #17
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It's not worth replacing those speakers. You basically have to rip out the back half of the interior to get to them; even the back seats have to come out.
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Old 04-24-2013, 03:18 PM   #18
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It's not worth replacing those speakers. You basically have to rip out the back half of the interior to get to them; even the back seats have to come out.
Back seats do not have to come out but yes removing everything else back there is a pain in the arse. If you do remove the rear trim, that would be a great time to replace your rear shocks as you will then have access.
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I know, I have done it before. Not hard, just time consuming.
Yes, I replaced the shock mounts when I did the shocks.
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