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Old 03-12-2013, 11:25 AM   #81
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ITT - G35 Coupe and 350/370Z are worse cars than the 330. Got it.
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Old 03-12-2013, 02:10 PM   #82
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ITT - G35 Coupe and 350/370Z are worse cars than the 330. Got it.
They aren't really comparable. If I wanted to mod for power, ya I'd take the 350 over a 330. If I wanted a DD, 330 easily.

Comparing a 350 to the M though? It's no comparison...and this is from someone who bought an 08 Z brand new, and within 2 years bought a used e46 M to mod up. The Z's interior is terrible. It's plastic, and the paint on the interior door handle is 100% going to chip and flake, and the whole thing rattled within a year of ownership.

The 46 M has its faults, 2 huge ones - but for 2k can be addressed. The VQ has 1/10th the personality of the S54. ...I mean cmon..a V6 vs an I6.
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Old 03-12-2013, 06:05 PM   #83
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They aren't really comparable. If I wanted to mod for power, ya I'd take the 350 over a 330. If I wanted a DD, 330 easily.

Comparing a 350 to the M though? It's no comparison...and this is from someone who bought an 08 Z brand new, and within 2 years bought a used e46 M to mod up. The Z's interior is terrible. It's plastic, and the paint on the interior door handle is 100% going to chip and flake, and the whole thing rattled within a year of ownership.

The 46 M has its faults, 2 huge ones - but for 2k can be addressed. The VQ has 1/10th the personality of the S54. ...I mean cmon..a V6 vs an I6.
A V6 has packaging advantages over a Inline motor, but an engine configuration alone doesn't make something better. The Z is a sports car, it's meant to be cheap and fast, which it is. The G35 is a 3 series competitor and better in about every objective way.
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Old 03-12-2013, 08:21 PM   #84
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A V6 has packaging advantages over a Inline motor, but an engine configuration alone doesn't make something better. The Z is a sports car, it's meant to be cheap and fast, which it is. The G35 is a 3 series competitor and better in about every objective way.
You must have missed my post.

So let me reiterate. 330 > G35 in almost every way. Objectively. Period. . . .

Do you not get the futility of being a Nissan fanboy on a BMW enthusiast forum? We are here because we think our cars are the **** and you aren't going to convince us otherwise.

And when you say packaging advantages of a v6, you know what that means, right?

It means we at Nissan were too cheap and lazy to try and fit a better configured engine cause our customer base won't know the difference and we will continue to bore out the same engine to keep up with the competition even when we should have designed something new about 5 years ago.
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Old 03-12-2013, 08:51 PM   #85
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The G35 is a 3 series competitor and better in about every objective way.
Nothing except the head flow chart you posted has been objective. Period.

An E46 M3 is objectively a better car than a G35 in many, many ways.
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Old 03-12-2013, 09:49 PM   #86
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Nothing except the head flow chart you posted has been objective. Period.

An E46 M3 is objectively a better car than a G35 in many, many ways.
So what would you like me to post? Lap times, braking numbers, acceleration numbers - all of which the Z/G handly spanked the 3 series in mutiple times over? We know the story, I've seen the song and dance, if you want to drive a car hard, BMW is probably not the brand for you.

Is the G35 a better car than the M3? No, not outright at least. Though it does make a strong arguement for itself and is a good car, that shouldn't be debated. I would personally consider a later model G over an M, though my reasons are more financial (upkeep and maintence) as well as personal bias and opinion, more than outright facts.
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So what would you like me to post? Lap times, braking numbers, acceleration numbers - all of which the Z/G handly spanked the 3 series in mutiple times over? We know the story, I've seen the song and dance, if you want to drive a car hard, BMW is probably not the brand for you.

Is the G35 a better car than the M3? No, not outright at least. Though it does make a strong arguement for itself and is a good car, that shouldn't be debated. I would personally consider a later model G over an M, though my reasons are more financial (upkeep and maintence) as well as personal bias and opinion, more than outright facts.
Now we're on the same page.

You taking a G35 over a 330/zhp I can see, although I wouldn't do the same.

Taking a G35 over an M3 is ludicrous, and that's what you seemed to be pushing earlier.
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Now we're on the same page.

You taking a G35 over a 330/zhp I can see, although I wouldn't do the same.

Taking a G35 over an M3 is ludicrous, and that's what you seemed to be pushing earlier.
The sedan is ugly, but the coupe still has me stealing looks to this day. A 3 series looks good in any configuration, but the G coupe > 3 series coupe. The G37 is drop dead sexy.
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So what would you like me to post? Lap times, braking numbers, acceleration numbers - all of which the Z/G handly spanked the 3 series in mutiple times over? We know the story, I've seen the song and dance, if you want to drive a car hard, BMW is probably not the brand for you.

Is the G35 a better car than the M3? No, not outright at least. Though it does make a strong arguement for itself and is a good car, that shouldn't be debated. I would personally consider a later model G over an M, though my reasons are more financial (upkeep and maintence) as well as personal bias and opinion, more than outright facts.
I worked for Infiniti, I would choose a sport package / 16:9 nav 330 over any G35, or 335 / M3 over any G37.

Edit: ended up buying my BMW at the Infinti dealership I worked at too.
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The sedan is ugly, but the coupe still has me stealing looks to this day. A 3 series looks good in any configuration, but the G coupe > 3 series coupe. The G37 is drop dead sexy.
I think the G35 coupe is much better looking than any other G, especially with the 5 spoke, split spoke wheels.

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I think the e46 has "it". Its not the best at anything but does everything really well. Are there faster cars? Yes. Are there better handling cars? Yes. But I think BMW does both very well. Vs a G35 which might have a better engine but the rest of it...IMO...falls short of what BMW does. The BMW for me just FEELS better.

As I mentioned while battling with Minnoe07 earlier in the thread, there's a lot more to the car than just the engine.

If Iceman is talking about FI (original purpose of the thread???)...then I 100% agree with him. There are much better platforms out there.
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I think the e46 has "it". Its not the best at anything but does everything really well. Are there faster cars? Yes. Are there better handling cars? Yes. But I think BMW does both very well. Vs a G35 which might have a better engine but the rest of it...IMO...falls short of what BMW does. The BMW for me just FEELS better.

As I mentioned while battling with Minnoe07 earlier in the thread, there's a lot more to the car than just the engine.

If Iceman is talking about FI (original purpose of the thread???)...then I 100% agree with him. There are much better platforms out there.
The G35 can do everything the 3er does - better. Find me a track 330, I'll find 2 Gs that do the same, and haven't blown an engine doing it. Find me a FI 3er, I can point you to 5 G35s with Superchargers/Twin turbos/Single turbos.

BMW's advantage is more than likely in the intangibles. For some people that's enough, but not for everyone.
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But those engines aren't the same at all - The VQ30/35 are essentially the same engine minus displacement. Just as similar as the M52tu is to the M54.
When I brought price into the equation, I was talking about how obtainable the VQ is compared to the S series motors. Of course, the S series are not meant to be mainstream motors like the VQ is, but it speaks marvels that we can even compare the two. The VQ could be had in 240-300hp, from a family sedan, to an SUV - it's an incredible versatile engine, and you would have had to pay $15 - 20K+ more to find a "better" engine.
It should be noted that you compare the two. I've never heard someone compare a VQ motor to an S series (real S series- not US s50/52) or a G35 to an M3 for that matter until you posted in this thread.

And an S54 doesn't cost $20k, nor does an M3 cost $20k (if you just want it for the track).
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I've given that quite some thought lately. Now I'm just looking for the perfect g35 coupe to start with.
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I don't exactly disagree but championing Nissan is absurd. They have serious build quality issues as well. The interiors and styling are terrible most of the time. The cars are crude at best.

Power is not everything. No thank you.

And the S54 can probably run up against the Nissan motors for pure power. Some are nearing or slightly above 400hp N/A, without opening the engine. Out of 3.2 liters. Unlike Nissan, BMW doesn't see boring the motor out as the solution to every power problem

IIRC the VQ has it's fair share of issues as well. One of them has to do with burning so much oil that the motor fails entirely?

But we should stop derailing the thread.
Championing Nissan is absurd? It's not the vq, but the vr38dett is no slacker. It's like saying a gtr has no potential, they do! I've actually considered a g35 even before I purchased my 330i and after all the issues I've ran across with it, it sucks. The dme isn't tuner friendly, " they say", and the m54 block is weak. I wanted to maybe have the head ported and polished and maybe add an aggressive cam. After seeing all of this man screw it. I feel exactly how iceman00 feels about it, couldn't agree any more. The other day at the stop light I was able to speak to a fellow enthusiast in a manual G that was nice enough to do quick 0-60 in his car so I could hear, and damn I couldn't believe the exhaust note, loved it ! Looking to trade this car out...still love you guys, no homoerectus'
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Don't the brakes suck on g35's?
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Old 04-24-2013, 10:00 PM   #98
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Why I am moving on from my FI'd 330Ci?

Just replaced a faulty fuel filter I purchased from bma and replaced it with a brand new Mann filter. The car was running so lean that it had trouble starting. After fixing this issue the car takes off the line so much quicker. So now, I think I'll just keep going with this project.


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