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Old 05-13-2013, 04:57 PM   #21
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Have you tried operating the top manually? If you turn the Allen key in the hole on the front of the top towards the lock position and this fork shaped latch does not move then likely the rod between the motor and the latch is broken. Common issue unfortunately. There is no detailed pictorial DIY for the latches, yet there is a thread on here that identifies how to remove the cover.


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I'll try that next. Thanks!
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Old 05-14-2013, 11:24 AM   #22
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Re: ----UPDATED!!!! ---- Convertible not closing- latch prolly broken?? HELP!

E R R O R M E M O R Y R E P O R T
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Date: 05/08/13 11:13:18
ECU: CVM_II
JobStatus: OKAY
Variant: CVM_II
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RESULT: 2 errors in error memory !
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67 open load on unlocking / openening

Error frequency : 1

Outside temperature 26.00 degrees C

Static error
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68 open load on locking

Error frequency : 1

Outside temperature 26.00 degrees C

Static error
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here have some cvm errors, still dont know what they mean...

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Old 05-14-2013, 11:28 AM   #23
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Re: ----UPDATED!!!! ---- Convertible not closing- latch prolly broken?? HELP!

so here is a video about my roof closing problem, i have not option to check what u say, but i will do it today, if i have a time for that, anyway thanks u for now.



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Old 05-14-2013, 11:53 AM   #24
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67 open load on unlocking / openening
68 open load on locking
here jts cvm problem what is it?
Likely it is this: http://www.e46fanatics.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=854059

"open load" usually means "broken wire".

I mentioned this previously, have you read it and checked the wires? It is the most common electrical issue with the top, if you haven't done it, go do it now and don't report back till you have.

Please also don't just check for broken wires. Get a multimeter and check the resistance of the pairs of wires in the pinout.

Again, not trying to be rude, just trying to be straight to the point.
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Old 05-17-2013, 07:13 AM   #25
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Re: ----UPDATED!!!! ---- Convertible not closing- latch prolly broken?? HELP!

so i just fix broken wire, i see one is definitely broken and next one in half way to be broken... i fix both cable, now its working good, so thanks y taylor for help...

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Old 06-06-2013, 06:45 PM   #26
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Re: ----UPDATED!!!! ---- Convertible not closing- latch prolly broken?? HELP!

hey taylor, i feel shy to ask u about help whit my roof, dam i have now other new problem, all was going last weeks very well but from last day start new problem, when i open roof all way go fine but when roof was stay in stay position and is open cover panel i still hold a buttom to open l, but just hear hydraulic sound and nothing happend, roof was stay in half way up and not go all way down and cover panel not close and windows dont go up, after some pushing open buttom or close buttom, just stop and nothing happend i need close top manual and try it all again, but i still same problem, do u thing i put much liquid when i try fix last problem whit wire? or its just old car and come up new problem? i will check ii when i have time but its really horrible this year just electrics problem whit roof... thank man, i put later a video here whit my problem

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Old 06-06-2013, 10:56 PM   #27
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Old 06-07-2013, 07:12 AM   #28
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Re: ----UPDATED!!!! ---- Convertible not closing- latch prolly broken?? HELP!

so i was check the problem in pc no errors there, i dont understand it, here is a link for video

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Old 06-11-2013, 10:51 AM   #29
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hey taylor, i feel shy to ask u about help whit my roof, dam i have now other new problem, all was going last weeks very well but from last day start new problem, when i open roof all way go fine but when roof was stay in stay position and is open cover panel i still hold a buttom to open l, but just hear hydraulic sound and nothing happend, roof was stay in half way up and not go all way down and cover panel not close and windows dont go up, after some pushing open buttom or close buttom, just stop and nothing happend i need close top manual and try it all again, but i still same problem, do u thing i put much liquid when i try fix last problem whit wire? or its just old car and come up new problem? i will check ii when i have time but its really horrible this year just electrics problem whit roof... thank man, i put later a video here whit my problem
The video doesn't work, try to post it again. Otherwise please post pictures. I understand english might not be your first language, yet I am having problems understanding exactly what is wrong. Can you try posting the exact steps you're doing, like:

1. Manually close top
2. Push top open button
3. Top opens to position < describe or take photo/video >
4. Top stops
5. ...

Please check the fluid level with the top open. You can manually open the top by lifting the storage lid, folding the top into the storage area, then closing the storage lid. You will not be able to latch the lid, yet this position is what you're after to ensure all the fluid is in the pump. Carefully open the trunk (with the storage lid not latched it may hit the trunk, have someone push down on the storage lid so the trunk clears it ) and check the fluid level.

If you can hear the pump and there are no codes, then the pump is struggling to operate. This happens when the fluid is too low, and repeatedly causing the pump to struggle will damage it.

Please don't post again till you have checked the fluid level with the top open as there's not much else I can suggest till I have more info.

Cheers,
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Old 06-11-2013, 11:15 AM   #30
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try again check the video i hope will work whrn i click its playing fine, and i take pics and video again to show u problem, but liquid was under (bulleye) when its close top, when its open bit down, i last time change liquid and put new one, so i make all documentation tomorrow.

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Old 06-11-2013, 12:18 PM   #31
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try again check the video i hope will work whrn i click its playing fine, and i take pics and video again to show u problem, but liquid was under (bulleye) when its close top, when its open bit down, i last time change liquid and put new one, so i make all documentation tomorrow.
OK, got the video to work. Here it is for others that may have problems with the original link:



Everything looks good up to the roof not lowering into the storage area. I'm surprised the storage lid starts to close before the top is stored. There is a sensor near the drivers main lift cyclinder that tells the CVM the position of the top, so it shouldn't try to close the storage lid till the top is all the way down.

I would check your fluid level first with the top down to ensure there is not too much. At the position it stops the storage lid cylinders are retracted to raise the lid, then the bow tension and main lift cylinders retract to store the top. The pump reservoir needs room for all that hydraulic fluid, thus why you're supposed to check the level when the top is down, not up.

Please check the level with the top open, not closed.
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Old 06-12-2013, 11:00 AM   #32
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Ruslan,

Post here rather than send me emails. You can attach photos to posts, go to advanced mode and look for the attach button. Please attach the photo of the pump reservoir with the top down.

Here's another video from Ruslan:


After the storage lid raises you can hear the pump trying to work, yet nothing happens (although there is a lot of wind and engine noise). Perhaps a video indoors with the car off would help us listen in to what's happening.

I'm stumped if its not pump related. Here's my thoughts:
- If it was the bow tension or main pillar hall sensor not telling the CVM the correct position of the top, I'd expect the CVM to store a code and the light to flash. Ruslan says he just holds the open button and nothing happens.
- It might be the solenoid that controls the main lift cylinders... yet I have no clue how to test that.

Sorry Ruslan, might be time for a trip to a dealership.
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Old 03-15-2015, 12:37 AM   #33
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Having the same exact problem

Wow, lots of different issues, but I haven't found mine. My '05 330ci has a problem with the left side latching at the top of the windshield. There's a rod coming from the very front left edge of the top that comes back about a foot towards the back of the car. When the top is going up, this rod rotates a sort of fork-shaped mechanism which is visible when I'm standing beside the driver's door. The 2-pronged fork or u-shaped piece is supposed to rotate (works perfectly on the right side of the car) and slide over a post before the top locks against the top of the windshield. On the left side of the car, the u-shaped piece doesn't rotate soon enough and the post hangs up against the outside of it, so the top can't fully close. I'm afraid this means the top left latch motor needs to be replaced -- does anyone have any other possibility? If not, I'd appreciate any info on DIY replacment. Thanks!

Is there a replacement part forbade rod if it is indeed that piece that is broken ?
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Old 03-15-2015, 01:04 AM   #34
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Wow, lots of different issues, but I haven't found mine. My '05 330ci has a problem with the left side latching at the top of the windshield. There's a rod coming from the very front left edge of the top that comes back about a foot towards the back of the car. When the top is going up, this rod rotates a sort of fork-shaped mechanism which is visible when I'm standing beside the driver's door. The 2-pronged fork or u-shaped piece is supposed to rotate (works perfectly on the right side of the car) and slide over a post before the top locks against the top of the windshield. On the left side of the car, the u-shaped piece doesn't rotate soon enough and the post hangs up against the outside of it, so the top can't fully close. I'm afraid this means the top left latch motor needs to be replaced -- does anyone have any other possibility? If not, I'd appreciate any info on DIY replacement. Thanks!

Is there a replacement part forbade rod if it is indeed that piece that is broken ?

Wow....2 years in the making and still not fixed......

Ok I know exactly what you are talking about. This happened to my car before on the left one as well. Your problem is not the motor. There is only one motor and it is located in the middle between both latches. There is a cable that spins and closes the latches.

So not the motor.

The rod you speak of is a strut, compressed gas type of strut that is connected to the front latch. Each side has one. As the motor turns, a flat metal piece pushes this strut which helps to lower the front bow and tightens the roof. This piece is not your problem.

The problem is the latch itself is broken. There is a metal screw that goes through a composite material block that activates the latch. Your problem is this latch assembly is broken/cracked. When the screw turns, the pieces slide past each other and it won't pull tight nor will it latch.

More than likely you will need to buy the latch assembly. Not cheap for a new one, 600-800 new. More than likely if one is broken the other is not far behind. Hence why a poster above took his to the dealer they needed to replace the other as well.

To confirm this you will need to lower the metal pan that hides all of this. Look for a couple post, that describe how to remove the pan. Check out some of Taylors post as he has a DIY fix for broken latches.

I'll see if I can find some pics to show you what is wrong.

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Old 03-15-2015, 01:40 AM   #35
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In the pictures above, when the screw turns, the gold plate with the slot cut in, moves and presses the gas strut. If broken like above then it won't compress the strut and the latch will not latch.

In my case I was lucky that the two broken halves still would catch one another to at least close the latch, but it wouldn't tighten the bow. To temporarily get around that I took the c-clip off the strut - over the drivers door - to allow me to pull the roof down by hand and close the latch.

However a word of caution, there have been some that posted that they end up getting the latch stuck in the closed position and it took some surgery to the pan to free the latch. So don't fool with this too many times. Get the cover open and see if yours looks something like this.
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Old 04-15-2015, 12:32 AM   #37
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Good solutions...but...

I have the broken hinge on the right side (passenger side). This I know. But how the heck do I get off the plastic cover that covers the front latches? I took out 10-12 allen screews but the thing is still super tight and I don't want to pry on it too much. Any place to find a drawing of the parts or a breakdown? Or tips?
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Old 04-15-2015, 08:38 AM   #38
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I have the broken hinge on the right side (passenger side). This I know. But how the heck do I get off the plastic cover that covers the front latches? I took out 10-12 allen screews but the thing is still super tight and I don't want to pry on it too much. Any place to find a drawing of the parts or a breakdown? Or tips?
This thread describes the process:

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=1047072
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