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Old 05-15-2013, 01:43 PM   #61
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Soros funded ProPublica reveals that the same IRS office leaked confidential documents to them during the election season

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The same IRS office that deliberately targeted conservative groups applying for tax-exempt status in the run-up to the 2012 election released nine pending confidential applications of conservative groups to ProPublica late last year.

The IRS did not respond to requests Monday following up about that release, and whether it had determined how the applications were sent to ProPublica.

In response to a request for the applications for 67 different nonprofits last November, the Cincinnati office of the IRS sent ProPublica applications or documentation for 31 groups. Nine of those applications had not yet been approved-meaning they were not supposed to be made public. (We made six of those public, after redacting their financial information, deeming that they were newsworthy.)
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http://www.fox19.com/story/22265631/...ted-to-scandal
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One of FOX19's two sources went on say that these four IRS workers claim "they simply did what their bosses ordered." FOX19 reported on Tuesday that the report by the Office of Inspector General states that senior IRS officials knew agents were targeting Tea Party groups as early as 2011.
Fox19, not Fox News...before any idiots post. Rogue low-level employees huh?
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Fox 19 has no relationship with Fox News or any other Fox entity. That's why they call it "Fox" 19.
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Fox19, not Fox News...before any idiots post. Rogue low-level employees huh?
But what exactly did their bosses order? To get ahead of this 503(c) backlog however you can, leaving it to lower level, less politically astute CPA types to cobble together the aforementioned screening algorithyms to better identify potentially problematic political organization of which were primarily Tea Party and conservative based. Was the disproportionate impact of these algorithms on these groups an innocent incidental byproduct or an intentional organized effort at political intimidation?

Everything I've seen so far points clearly to the first, little to nothing to the latter.
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Good article from the WSJ a few days back. It's basically talking about how the IRS has been used to target the opposing party since the 40's.

Pro-tip for Chase, and the like......me posting this article, and endorsing it does not mean I am OK with what the IRS is doing now. I'm merely pointing out that this is nothing new and those who get outraged now should have been outraged when prior administrations carried out such things.
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Good article from the WSJ a few days back. It's basically talking about how the IRS has been used to target the opposing party since the 40's.

Pro-tip for Chase, and the like......me posting this article, and endorsing it does not mean I am OK with what the IRS is doing now. I'm merely pointing out that this is nothing new and those who get outraged now should have been outraged when prior administrations carried out such things.
Everyone should be outraged every time it happens, the fact that one of the main defenses we are seeing now is "everyone does it" is a sad indication as to where we are as a people in regards to freedom and government tyranny.

Remember kids, when your guy does stupid stuff the next guy is also going to use that power to do stupid stuff that you suddenly won't like.
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How's the scandal status today? Any traction yet?
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Everyone should be outraged every time it happens, the fact that one of the main defenses we are seeing now is "everyone does it" is a sad indication as to where we are as a people in regards to freedom and government tyranny.

Remember kids, when your guy does stupid stuff the next guy is also going to use that power to do stupid stuff that you suddenly won't like.
Also, confuse lack of outrage that this was done, with "this is not a surprise because there is a long history of this this." Those are two different things.

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Can you stack the deck any further?
The answer is obviously "yes, you can". This is not the worst offense ever perpetrated under an administration. That doesn't make it acceptable. However, conservatives being outraged about this instance, yet, showing no outrage when those they support have used the IRS to do the same is hypocritical.

That is as much a sad indication as to where we have been in regards to freedom and government tyranny for so many decades. This is not an indicator of some new level of government oppression, and, to think so is just as foolish as sticking one's head in the sand as simply pretending that this incident is not an abuse of government power.
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How's the scandal status today? Any traction yet?
Moderate Republicans are the ones who set this up. They're tired of the Tea Party and know they'll never win another election if this foolishness continues. The adults in the GOP will finally stand up.
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Obama administration knew about this in 2012 during the election season

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/18/us....html?hp&_r=3&
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WASHINGTON - The Treasury Department's inspector general told senior Treasury officials in June 2012 he was auditing the Internal Revenue Service's screening of politically active organizations seeking tax exemptions, disclosing for the first time on Friday that Obama administration officials were aware of the matter during the presidential campaign year.
Is the New York Times a good enough source for you guys or do we need Obama's hand-written personal diary?
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Obama administration knew about this in 2012 during the election season

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Is the New York Times a good enough source for you guys or do we need Obama's hand-written personal diary?
"Mr. George told Treasury officials about the allegation as part of a routine briefing about ongoing audits he would be conducting in the coming year, and he did not tell the officials of his conclusions that the targeting had been improper, he said. "

What you quoted basically says that the Administration knew about the ongoing audits during the election, not that the Administration knew the results of the audit pointed towards a singling out.
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Obama administration knew about this in 2012 during the election season

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Is the New York Times a good enough source for you guys or do we need Obama's hand-written personal diary?

I did find this tidbit interesting from your article - you're a lawyer, is this true?
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it's funny how in 2004 there were talks about this when Bush was in office and it lasted 2 days. Bush was asked the same questions that Obama was asked. And like everything else...nothing was done.

Now in 2013 they have been talking about it like it's new. (((sigh)))
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Just throwing this out there...

Steve Miller, the acting director of the IRS, took charge of the organization on Nov 2012. The IRS investigation/probe by the Inspector General supposedly started in June of 2012 when the IRS, at the time, was under a Bush appointed director, Douglas Shulman.

1) Why isn't Shulman being questioned and/or getting heat?

2) Why isn't Congress asking him to testify? Or maybe they haven't gotten to him yet?

*Not trying to blame Bush, but I'm curious as to Mr Shulman's knowledge and why there's been no mention of him.

I've read some articles that have stated that even though the probe was started in June of 2012, the findings weren't done until March '13. Furthermore, supposedly only the IG and one other party new of the on-going probe and, supposedly under IRS/Federal law, disclosing information is against the law/IRS rules.

1) If, and only if, the above is true, why is Obama getting heat when it's plausible he didn't' know the extent or existence of the IRS probe?

thoughts?

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Just throwing this out there...

Steve Miller, the acting director of the IRS, took charge of the organization on Nov 2012. The IRS investigation/probe by the Inspector General supposedly started in June of 2012 when the IRS, at the time, was under a Bush appointed director, Douglas Shulman.

1) Why isn't Shulman being questioned and/or getting heat?

2) Why isn't Congress asking him to testify? Or maybe they haven't gotten to him yet?

I've read some articles that have stated that even though the probe was started in June of 2012, the findings weren't done until March '13. Furthermore, supposedly only the IG and one other party new of the on-going probe and, supposedly under IRS/Federal law, disclosing information is against the law/IRS rules.

1) If, and only if, the above is true, why is Obama getting heat when it's plausible he didn't' know the extent or existence of the IRS probe?

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Because the deficit is shrinking, the stock market is at record highs, unemployment is slowly going down, housing prices are going up, consumer confidence is up.......
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Because the deficit is shrinking, the stock market is at record highs, unemployment is slowly going down, housing prices are going up, consumer confidence is up.......
Is the deficit going down? Haven't checked in a while.

On a side note, my stocks are doing well.
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Because the deficit is shrinking, the stock market is at record highs, unemployment is slowly going down, housing prices are going up, consumer confidence is up.......
just trying to ask what I deem as sensible questions
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