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Old 05-15-2013, 07:27 AM   #3101
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People have this high perception of law enforcement that all are good shooters and all are into guns. The truth is there are many that carry a gun daily, suck at shooting. Its a shame, you would think more would take pride in their profession and try and learn and excel at this aspect of the job. Its even worse on my side of the house in the fed that some people just dont care. We have a lot of training and oppurtunities to shoot, learn, and excel but most dont take advantage of it. Like Reedo we shoot once a quarter too, and for some that is all they do as far as training.
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Old 05-15-2013, 02:04 PM   #3102
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The level of proficiency for cops is generally pretty low. It's about the same as what I experienced in the Army where people knew how to shoot and clean their own weapons, but very few knew more than that. Coming from the Army world, I was already accustomed to this. Unfortunately, I've been called to many traffic stops to clear guns that other officers couldn't due to lack of technical skill. Most officers pass qual the first time, and our required passing score percentage is 90%. If we actually instituted a time limit/standard, our qualification scores would probably drop by 25%. Probably 75% of the officers in my department only shoot when they are mandated to by the department.
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Old 05-15-2013, 02:55 PM   #3103
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Reedo, as always thanks for the insider input. I'm curious, what guns have you been called to clear for other LEOs?


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Old 05-15-2013, 03:45 PM   #3104
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The level of proficiency for cops is generally pretty low. It's about the same as what I experienced in the Army where people knew how to shoot and clean their own weapons, but very few knew more than that. Coming from the Army world, I was already accustomed to this. Unfortunately, I've been called to many traffic stops to clear guns that other officers couldn't due to lack of technical skill. Most officers pass qual the first time, and our required passing score percentage is 90%. If we actually instituted a time limit/standard, our qualification scores would probably drop by 25%. Probably 75% of the officers in my department only shoot when they are mandated to by the department.
what i don't understand is that these officers are given a tool that could very well probably save thier or someone else's life. why wouldn't they want to make sure that they are proficient in using and understanding these tools?

one of my LE buddies absolutely HATES guns. he does the job because he likes helping people and if he could do it w/o the gun, he would. he only practices when his dept makes him and he really doesnt touch it otherwise.
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A couple of Springfield XDs, a 1911, and the rest were general pocket rockets pulled off hoodlums. It's basically where there's a pull of the slide, no movement, so they call me.


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what i don't understand is that these officers are given a tool that could very well probably save thier or someone else's life. why wouldn't they want to make sure that they are proficient in using and understanding these tools?

one of my LE buddies absolutely HATES guns. he does the job because he likes helping people and if he could do it w/o the gun, he would. he only practices when his dept makes him and he really doesnt touch it otherwise.
Why wouldn't they? We ask this every time. Every single kind of training I've ever been to that is about officer safety and tactics stresses over and over that officers need to be proficient with their guns, need to be in shape so they can survive a fight, need to be safe in driving so they don't kill themselves. Goes in one ear, and for about 80% it goes right out the other. So, you wind up seeing fat cops that don't shoot and drive like idiots.

Cops that want to help people is fine, but your buddy sounds like some people I've met in my life. People who really shouldn't be cops at all. They don't possess "the mean gene". They're the "Stop! or I'll say 'stop' again!" cops. We have had two of them on my department. One is still with us, the other isn't. It is what it is. If it works for him and his agency, then it's not an issue I guess.
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Old 05-15-2013, 06:13 PM   #3106
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A couple of Springfield XDs, a 1911, and the rest were general pocket rockets pulled off hoodlums. It's basically where there's a pull of the slide, no movement, so they call me.




Why wouldn't they? We ask this every time. Every single kind of training I've ever been to that is about officer safety and tactics stresses over and over that officers need to be proficient with their guns, need to be in shape so they can survive a fight, need to be safe in driving so they don't kill themselves. Goes in one ear, and for about 80% it goes right out the other. So, you wind up seeing fat cops that don't shoot and drive like idiots.

Cops that want to help people is fine, but your buddy sounds like some people I've met in my life. People who really shouldn't be cops at all. They don't possess "the mean gene". They're the "Stop! or I'll say 'stop' again!" cops. We have had two of them on my department. One is still with us, the other isn't. It is what it is. If it works for him and his agency, then it's not an issue I guess.
oh he has the mean gene alright. i dated his daughter for 3 years so i would know. haha. but i get what your saying. he's never had to shoot anyone but i know hes drawn on dozens of people and that he would shoot if he has to. he's got two girls and a wife. which is why i never understood why he wouldnt put more effort into his firearms training.

he is actually about to finally go out on disability i believe. he got t-boned on his way to court by a drunk driver. he suffered major spinal and brain injuries and the doctors didnt know if he was going to live, let alone walk again. 8 months later he was back on the job. they had to "re-pipe" the man. they took veins and shit from other parts of his body to run to his legs and put all sorts of metal in him. hes even got a prosthetic foot. i call him robo cop, he gets so pissed.
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A couple of Springfield XDs, a 1911, and the rest were general pocket rockets pulled off hoodlums. It's basically where there's a pull of the slide, no movement, so they call me.




Why wouldn't they? We ask this every time. Every single kind of training I've ever been to that is about officer safety and tactics stresses over and over that officers need to be proficient with their guns, need to be in shape so they can survive a fight, need to be safe in driving so they don't kill themselves. Goes in one ear, and for about 80% it goes right out the other. So, you wind up seeing fat cops that don't shoot and drive like idiots.

Cops that want to help people is fine, but your buddy sounds like some people I've met in my life. People who really shouldn't be cops at all. They don't possess "the mean gene". They're the "Stop! or I'll say 'stop' again!" cops. We have had two of them on my department. One is still with us, the other isn't. It is what it is. If it works for him and his agency, then it's not an issue I guess.
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The fact that I shoot my hunting rifle more than a cop shoots his pistol scares me...
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Old 05-17-2013, 08:42 PM   #3109
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I'm trying to decide between another Battlecomp or the new BCM Gunfighter Compensator. I've only read reviews, but I've had no first hand experience with the BCM. Have any of you shot the BCM?
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Old 05-17-2013, 11:17 PM   #3110
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Picked up a Spikes Lower for $125 shipped. Not bad for this climate.

Could be my .22 conversion.

I need to focus on my main AR before I keep getting side tracked. !

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Old 05-20-2013, 11:42 AM   #3111
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I'm trying to decide between another Battlecomp or the new BCM Gunfighter Compensator. I've only read reviews, but I've had no first hand experience with the BCM. Have any of you shot the BCM?
I would give the Gunfighter a chance. I have yet to shoot one, so I'm curious and may pick one up to try out.
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Colt Competition .308....comes with some nice features...adjustable gas block, geissele 2 stage trigger, prs stock...msrp around $3k..

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Colt Competition .308....comes with some nice features...adjustable gas block, geissele 2 stage trigger, prs stock...msrp around $3k..

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Old 05-23-2013, 07:41 PM   #3114
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I'd like to get some opinions/input on my first ar build. I'll be using the firearm for target/plinking, defense. My current plan for parts is as follows..

Noveske Gen 2 Chainsaw lower (purchase)
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Vltor IMod stock kit (I'll have to pin for NJ compliance)
Still debating on a grip. Either the BCM gunfighter or Hogue.

I could use some help/input with the upper.

I'm looking at some BMC uppers. Any muzzle device would need to be pinned/welded per NJ laws.

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BCM 16" mid-length flat top upper with Gunfighter mod 0 comp
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BCM 14.5" mid-length flat top with gunfighter mod 1 comp

Charging handle and BCG would also be BCM items. I'm flexible for the type of hand guard and BUIS. Also I was planning on a black/foliage green color scheme.

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For your purposes and the laws that you are stuck with, either will suit you just fine. Just pick your choice of handguard.
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The only difference between the ACT and QMS is that the ACT has a nickel boron (NiB) coating. If you are trying to save money on the trigger, you can save an additional $20 by getting the QMS and you will get the exact same trigger. I know that they mention that testing shows the NiB causes a crisper sear break when firing, but the difference is negligible and the average person cannot tell the difference.

Why I mention saving money is because the ACT and QMS were designed specifically for LE applications where there is a need to adhere to a mandatory minimum trigger pull weight. It's a trigger that is better than a normal mil-spec trigger, especially since the average mil-spec trigger comes in at around 7-8lbs pull weight. However, the ALG triggers are still very much mil-spec in their feel, and it's a very subtle enhancement over stock. If you are trying to cut costs, it's a good way to get a decent trigger for not a lot of money.
HOWEVER, if saving money is not as big of an issue, I would highly recommend that you go with a full-blown Geissele trigger. Particuarly, the SSA trigger. A couple of us here have Geissele triggers, and everyone will tell you how drastic of a difference they are compared to mil-spec. If that is something you'd be interested in, I would highly recommend it.

But, like I said, the ALG triggers are still good quality. Nothing really "match" feeling, but a good down and dirty simple trigger system.


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Still debating on a grip. Either the BCM gunfighter or Hogue.
Have you ever held a 1911 pistol? If so, and you liked the grip angle, get the BCM.
Having spent time on the range with numerous grips, the more vertical/upright grip angle of the BCM is a lot more comfortable for the wrist, and causes a lot less fatigue.
I know a couple people who used to run Hogues, and I've tried them myself, but I'm really not a big fan. But then and again, the grip is a very personal thing. It's all about your personal tastes and what you want out of your grip.


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BCM 16" mid-length flat top upper with Gunfighter mod 0 comp
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BCM 14.5" mid-length flat top with gunfighter mod 1 comp
I made a video about the differences between the two, but if you go with a 16" system, you're going to get one that is going to be a bit more reliable. The main issue is that the 14.5" middy is less tolerant of ammunition variations. BCM rifles are designed to run with milspec 5.56 ammo, not .223 target loads. The 16" will still cycle the lighter loads, but the 14.5" may give you trouble if you start shooting weaker stuff like PMC Bronze, or the Russian Wolfshit steel case stuff.
Also, from an armorer's perspective, the 14.5" is a pain in the nuts to work on because the muzzle device is pinned and welded in place and cannot be removed easily. If you want to change handguards or do any work, you're sort of up shit creek. The 16" is a non-NFA length, so you don't have to pin/weld the muzzle device. Easy servicing.

Food for thought. Either way, BCM is top notch.

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Charging handle and BCG would also be BCM items. I'm flexible for the type of hand guard and BUIS. Also I was planning on a black/foliage green color scheme.
Whatever you get, go with a freefloat handguard/rail. Daniel Defense is my favorite, but Centurion, Fortis, Noveske, Geissele, LaRue, KAC, PRI and a couple others are very high quality as well. Determine if you want a tube style, full rail, or a stripped/modular keymod style hybrid, and go from there.
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Cliff notes of above with what i like
16" bcm upper over the 14.5"
Geissele ssa
Bcm gunfighter grip
Free float rails i have Daniel defense, geissele, fortis,seekins...my next rail will be either the new centurion cmr or another geissele


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that new fortis is a good looking rail.
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that new fortis is a good looking rail.
super light too...really nice..I should have my build completed soon with it and ill post pictures
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sounds good. i have a spare upper i was thinking of tearing apart and making a dedicated .22lr upper and had a fortis rail in mind. its a toss up, i really like my nsr and was torn between another one of those or the fortis.
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