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Old 06-08-2013, 07:54 PM   #81
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Regarding the high pitched wine u r hearing , I get that when I put the opposite sex in the back and step on the gas. I think that's normal


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Old 06-09-2013, 09:23 PM   #82
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Car span the tires with me and a buddy in the trunk at 33 psi with 67% ethanol content it made 930whp and you could clearly feel the tires roasting on the dyno lol
Spoke with Larry and he said he had a tough time with my car on the dyno, apparently 600lb is needed and possibly even VHT!

Also the car does still run out of gas a notch past 1/4 tank, looks like I will need a similar setup to Kenton's
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Old 06-09-2013, 09:31 PM   #83
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I don't think that the computer will let you get to 33 psi with only 67% E. I will say that your car is one of the hardest I have ever had to get to stick on the dyno. The aggressive gearing and torque it makes just usually roasts the tires above 900 on my dyno and my rollers are bigger than a DJ. I had to put two LARGE guys in the hatch and some VHT on the tires to get it to hook.
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The dyno operator has a picture of it at 33 psi with E67, I was surprised myself when he showed me expected around 27-30 psi
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I don't think that the computer will let you get to 33 psi with only 67% E. I will say that your car is one of the hardest I have ever had to get to stick on the dyno. The aggressive gearing and torque it makes just usually roasts the tires above 900 on my dyno and my rollers are bigger than a DJ. I had to put two LARGE guys in the hatch and some VHT on the tires to get it to hook.
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You need to make sure that your siphon system is working properly and that your base fuel pressure is set to 73.5 psi for it to work properly. Kenton's set up could not handle your power level and is not safe for the street. But if you want to try it you should, mainly because it will help me prove my point about his setup


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Car span the tires with me and a buddy in the trunk at 33 psi with 67% ethanol content it made 930whp and you could clearly feel the tires roasting on the dyno lol
Spoke with Larry and he said he had a tough time with my car on the dyno, apparently 600lb is needed and possibly even VHT!

Also the car does still run out of gas a notch past 1/4 tank, looks like I will need a similar setup to Kenton's
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Kenton's set up could not handle your power level.
Care to share your reasoning? I would prefer if you went into a direct comparison along with flow capacities, etc...
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Dyno jet update:

Car span the tires with me and a buddy in the trunk at 33 psi with 67% ethanol content it made 930whp and you could clearly feel the tires roasting on the dyno lol
Spoke with Larry and he said he had a tough time with my car on the dyno, apparently 600lb is needed and possibly even VHT!

Also the car does still run out of gas a notch past 1/4 tank, looks like I will need a similar setup to Kenton's

Tom,

these are all good news.

how is traction? Do you hook in 3rd gear on the road?

waiting for your 60-130 times
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You need to make sure that your siphon system is working properly and that your base fuel pressure is set to 73.5 psi for it to work properly. Kenton's set up could not handle your power level and is not safe for the street. But if you want to try it you should, mainly because it will help me prove my point about his setup
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Cool thing about the Radium Multi-Pump Fuel Surge Tank is you get to choose the pumps. So if you want to do 1200rwhp with Kenton's setup you just change the fuel pumps to your liking, be that three Bosch's or three Walbro 400's, etc..
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You need to make sure that your siphon system is working properly and that your base fuel pressure is set to 73.5 psi for it to work properly.
Saad, Tom's fuel pressure is somewhere in the 60s I believe. The car has 2150cc injectors in it and with the fuel pressure where it is now, drivability on pump gas suffers. It would only be worse at 73.5 psi. You should add as an option a different siphon set up that would work at normal fuel pressures like 45 psi so that the large injector cars will run properly on pump gas. Dave Jusko gave me the part numbers for the siphon out of the Lexus GS which would work at the lower pressures and you could easily incorporate into your fuel kits as an option. Let me know if you want the part number.
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Dyno jet update:

Car span the tires with me and a buddy in the trunk at 33 psi with 67% ethanol content it made 930whp and you could clearly feel the tires roasting on the dyno lol
Spoke with Larry and he said he had a tough time with my car on the dyno, apparently 600lb is needed and possibly even VHT!

Also the car does still run out of gas a notch past 1/4 tank, looks like I will need a similar setup to Kenton's
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That dyno has the old small rollers, I doubt that you will ever get it to hook up on it! The tires let go at about 900 RWHP each time and the car is instantly on the rev limiter as evident by how short the power pull is!
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That dyno has the old small rollers, I doubt that you will ever get it to hook up on it! The tires let go at about 900 RWHP each time and the car is instantly on the rev limiter as evident by how short the power pull is!
Would the dyno graphs not look less consistent if the wheels were in fact spinning?
The three (well two ad a half) runs are all within a dozen or so whp/wtq of each other...


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Ya, that's a great idea, send it over. The point I was trying to make though was that if you keep the car at a stock fuel pressure the factory siphon will work properly and you would have no need for a surge can that can and will endanger passengers in an accident situation. I do understand that his injectors are larger but not many guys need to run around on 2150cc inj.

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Had a lean issue pop up and my local mechanic was on vaca for almost 2 weeks but they got back this week and the car is running great again, replaced the inovate 3737 universal wideband sensor and lean issue is gone also I am bringing the car in to get rewrapped matte military green within 2 weeks, will post pics soon
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Had a lean issue pop up and my local mechanic was on vaca for almost 2 weeks but they got back this week and the car is running great again, replaced the inovate 3737 universal wideband sensor and lean issue is gone also I am bringing the car in to get rewrapped matte military green within 2 weeks, will post pics soon
Glad to hear it was the O2 Sensor. Pics!
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Ya I'm really glad it was a cheap fix, funny thing is the local partsource in town was trying to charge me 277+tax for the part and I paid 72$ shipped on eBay lol, if the mechs weren't on vacay I would have paid the inflated price but it worked out in the end, I spoke with Larry to see if this is a common issue and he said out of 500 pro efi units he's sold maybe 3 customers wideband sensor crapped out so I shouldn't need to keep a spare wideband sensor on hand, I will post pics in the showroom in about 2 weeks, I'm also going to get my ccws refinished as the anodized gold finish is starting to fade, going to powdercoat this time around and most likely get the lips polished too
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