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Old 06-19-2013, 11:34 AM   #81
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The problem there is the first is implied with modern organizations and unions are built on subverting the second.

Early on, safety and fair pay were the goal and legitimate reason for unionizing. Today unfortunately, they are built on getting exorbitant amounts of money for doing the absolute least amount of work. Holding companies hostage to get insane wage for work a monkey could do seems a bit criminal right?
No more insane than companies paying the lowest possible prices for their labor.

Nothing wrong with getting all the money you can.

Your employer installs a system (lets say its ERP) that makes your job easier. Are you going to go to them and "Hey boss, this new ERP system makes my job easier, you need to lower my pay."
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Your employer installs a system (lets say its ERP) that makes your job easier. Are you going to go to them and "Hey boss, this new ERP system makes my job easier, you need to lower my pay."
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No more insane than companies paying the lowest possible prices for their labor.

Nothing wrong with getting all the money you can.

Your employer installs a system (lets say its ERP) that makes your job easier. Are you going to go to them and "Hey boss, this new ERP system makes my job easier, you need to lower my pay."
Within the corporate environment, the leverage for enhanced compensation is performance at the individual level. Within the union world, its stacking enough retards together to hold the company or tax payers hostage. This reinforces everyone making the absolute least amount of effort. Really outlines why they are no longer needed and in reality, detrimental to our economy.

Once organizations adopt a results based model and move from unions, they will in turn become more profitable.

As for your ERP implementation example, the business case would undoubtedly include a drop in headcount to justify it's need.
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I would never want to outlaw private sector unions, as they have every right to do their thing. I wouldn't cater to them, though, and I sure as hell would take note their drastically dwindling numbers across America. Public sector union$, however, can go to hell and are a disgrace.
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Old 06-19-2013, 08:40 PM   #85
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Within the corporate environment, the leverage for enhanced compensation is performance at the individual level. Within the union world, its stacking enough retards together to hold the company or tax payers hostage. This reinforces everyone making the absolute least amount of effort. Really outlines why they are no longer needed and in reality, detrimental to our economy.

Once organizations adopt a results based model and move from unions, they will in turn become more profitable.
And just how profitable are the MLB, NBA, & NFL?
Those organizations seem to do alright with all that union labor that is just "stacking retards together". (OK, I'll give the "stacking retards", for the Marlins, the Wizards, & The Browns....but that's about it. )

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As for your ERP implementation example, the business case would undoubtedly include a drop in headcount to justify it's need.
That still doesn't mean if it does make your job easier, you are gonna demand your employer pay you less, right?
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