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Old 06-12-2013, 10:56 PM   #21
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tried the aftermarket stuff, sure less brake dust but brake feel, feels like sh1t
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Old 06-12-2013, 10:58 PM   #22
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OP, want a recommendation?

Go to www.Turnermotorsports.com and read why all their staff uses
Axxis Metal Masters on their street cars.

Got them 50K miles ago myself and way low dust and I can't feel the diff between them and oe. Stop like murder.
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Old 06-12-2013, 11:43 PM   #23
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This may be a downfall for myself, but I'm a bit anal when it comes to keeping things clean and organized. I definitely give it a good wash/vacuum once a week, but every now and then you have those days where it gets dirty a not long after a wash for some unforseen reason. Usually then I'll give it a quick wash. Summers aren't so bad but in the winter I try to wash more often to remove all the road salts. I'm currently debating whether to even drive

I try to make time for anything I enjoy whether it be golf, the gym, working on the car, and occasionally my girlfriend
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Old 06-12-2013, 11:59 PM   #24
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Front Wheels have too much brake dust!

Had akebonos for 7 years. Never heard a squeal. I run pagids now they squeal and only have a little more bite than akebonos


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Old 06-13-2013, 12:01 AM   #25
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Unless you're tracking the damn thing, Akebono's are strictly money. Switched to them on my ZHP, and the dust issue is history - completely. Slightly more pedal effort required when cold, but otherwise just as competent as the stock binders, minus the hideous dust. On the ZHP's ridiculously hard-to-clean wheels, this is a major WIN.
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Old 06-13-2013, 07:44 AM   #26
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Thanks everyone. It looks like the Akebono's are priced right at $54 at the Tirerack. Where is the best place to get them?
http://www.tirerack.com/brakes/brake...1&autoModClar=
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Old 06-13-2013, 03:25 PM   #27
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+1+ for Akebonos. I got mine at Tire Rack a few years ago. No squeel and they feel pretty close to EOM, but I can go weeks without noticing any dust and the dust is much lighter in color.
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Old 06-15-2013, 10:21 PM   #28
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+1+ for Akebonos. I got mine at Tire Rack a few years ago. No squeel and they feel pretty close to EOM, but I can go weeks without noticing any dust and the dust is much lighter in color.
Mine squeal like hell. It sounds like I have racing car brakes.

What sort of KY lube did you apply during installation?

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Mine squeal like hell. It sounds like I have racing car brakes.
You didn't listen to the guys at Turner.
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See my post #22

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Old 06-16-2013, 07:41 AM   #30
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So these are the ones people like?

http://www.amazon.com/Akebono-EUR946...1&s=automotive
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Old 06-16-2013, 11:41 AM   #31
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Live and learn, I guess you'll have to figure this one out for yourself.

Right now you have brake dust and 100% stopping power.

After your new purchase you'll have less brake dust and 85% stopping power.

So when you see kids out playing ball, try to give them an extra 15 to 20 feet in stopping distance, they'll need it.
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Unless you're tracking the damn thing, Akebono's are strictly money. Switched to them on my ZHP, and the dust issue is history - completely. Slightly more pedal effort required when cold, but otherwise just as competent as the stock binders, minus the hideous dust. On the ZHP's ridiculously hard-to-clean wheels, this is a major WIN.
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+1+ for Akebonos. I got mine at Tire Rack a few years ago. No squeel and they feel pretty close to EOM, but I can go weeks without noticing any dust and the dust is much lighter in color.




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The question was why do the fellows above not have a squealing issue with Akebonos and I do. It seems to be hit or miss.

I've only done rears.
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Front Wheels have too much brake dust!

All pads will squeal if the are not seated correctly regardless of ceramic or other compound. They make stuff to put on the back of the pad to fix the squealing if needed. I did not.


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Old 06-28-2013, 12:44 PM   #34
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Mine squeal like hell. It sounds like I have racing car brakes.

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The question was why do the fellows above not have a squealing issue with Akebonos and I do. It seems to be hit or miss.

I've only done rears.
Disregard all of this fool's above posts.

It turns out that my front OE brakes are the ones squealing. Akebonos were fine this entire time.
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Old 06-28-2013, 03:31 PM   #35
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Front Wheels have too much brake dust!

If you prefer aggressive street driving, ceramic is a terrible idea. Yes they last forever, but don't have the same bite as a metallic or semi metallic pad. Ceramic pads also glaze really quickly when beating on them, that will lead to very poor brake bite.

If you're dusting up hard right now, you probably have full metallic pads. They bite like crazy and don't glaze as easily. They wear very quickly but provide much better braking compared to ceramics. They do however, turn nice silver wheels into black ones in no time flat.

Semi metallic pads are probably your best bet. They have better brake response than ceramic, will last longer than metallic and won't dust up as quickly.

Just changing the pads won't solve your issue is you're planning in aggressive driving. Remove your wheels, clean them very well, wax them (yes with carnauba wax), and use aggressive pads. The wax will build a barrier on the mag that will aid in repelling brake dust and ease their cleaning. Most will even come off with a hose. I had this issue before, I always use metallic pads and this summer, have been more aggressive and now using chrome mags. Throw some brake dust on chromies and they go brown and stain easily.

Don't make the mistake others do and chuck on a set of pads and expect miracles. It's a braking system, there are many components that must work together. IE:
- Full metallic pads on cheap perforated disks (more likely to develop cracking from the cross drill locations closest to the hub)
- Full ceramic pads on plain rotors and heavy foot (will glaze in just days and cause long fading stops with lots of squeaking. Glazing will still occur on quality rotors)
- Semi metallic pads with a high quality plain (brembo OEM series) or high quality cross drilled rotor (most probably your best brake system combination offering performance, quiet, low dust)

So for these amazing cars, and anything you intend to drive aggressively, quality brand name products will give you what you want, and get you home.

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Old 08-06-2013, 08:52 PM   #36
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Old 08-07-2013, 01:16 PM   #37
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I bought the same pads from Turner. Highly recommended! Great bite when cold, very little dust, and OK for autocross and light track duty (open track day, DE, etc.).
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Old 08-07-2013, 01:30 PM   #38
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OP, your OEM pads are the sh1t. Don't forget that.

Sure they may dust. But they don't squeal until you are at the wear point. They have great bite, and good longevity.

You can switch to pads that dust less, they might even be more expensive. But that doesn't mean they are better.
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Old 08-07-2013, 03:52 PM   #39
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Re: Front Wheels have too much brake dust!

Akebono is what i use too. Very little dust. They are about 70 for the front and 75 for.the rear

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Really? Cheaper for the fronts?

Axxis Metal Masters
http://www.turnermotorsport.com/p-17...6-e83-e85.aspx
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60 & 45 for front and rears
Important to note for 330. Cheaper for smaller braked 325.

Either choice probably a good pad.

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