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Old 08-12-2013, 09:45 AM   #1
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Steve Stockman (R): People In Wheelchairs Help Democrats Win Health Care Argument

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Rep. Steve Stockman (R-Texas) says he knows why Democrats are winning the argument on health care reform: They get help from sad-looking people in wheelchairs.

"Democrats will bring out somebody in a wheelchair, and we lose the argument on visuals," Stockman said Wednesday in an interview with Newsmax TV, which was flagged by Right Wing Watch.

Stockman was defending his support for a conservative effort in Congress that would shut down the government by blocking any continuing resolution that includes funding for the Affordable Care Act. But he disputed the characterization that Republicans are trying to shut down the government, and he called for a shift in messaging that emphasizes the need to keep the government running.

"One of the things that we’re doing wrong is that we’re accepting the argument that when we defund Obamacare, that we’re closing the government down," he said. "We’re not! In fact, we’re saving the nation’s future by not funding it."

But that suggestion holds little merit, given the Democratic-controlled Senate and the White House would never allow a bill that unravels President Barack Obama's signature health care law to advance.

A number of Republicans have condemned the idea, forming a gap between tea party-backed lawmakers and some of the GOP's senior members of Congress. Former presidential nominee Mitt Romney also joined the chorus of naysayers this week, urging congressional Republicans not to tie their crusade against Obamacare to a government funding bill.
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Old 08-12-2013, 10:00 AM   #2
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Holy shlt.

Republicans are attacking people in wheelchairs now? They really are on a suicide mission.
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Old 08-12-2013, 10:31 AM   #3
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Holy shlt.

Republicans are attacking people in wheelchairs now? They really are on a suicide mission.
Not surprising, another total reading comprehension fail by you. Stockman was attacking Democrats for shamelessly pimping disabled people for political points. I agree that his point was boneheaded, not because it isn't true (it is), but because it allows steep-foreheaded people like you to get confused.
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Old 08-12-2013, 11:52 AM   #4
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Every politician has a sob story from Smallvile, Swingstate and how their their platform will save Old Lady Thompson from the destructive agenda of their opponent.

How unconvincing does one's platform have to be that you cannot overcome a wheelchair...
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Not surprising, another total reading comprehension fail by you. Stockman was attacking Democrats for shamelessly pimping disabled people for political points. I agree that his point was boneheaded, not because it isn't true (it is), but because it allows steep-foreheaded people like you to get confused.


Keep on alienating, bro. You republicans are making real progress!
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hate anyone trotting people out to make a point based on emotion.
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Democrats aren't winning the arguement on Health Care reform. They got it passed (on a Sunday night at midnight). But it still is a contested topic among the population.
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Not surprising, another total reading comprehension fail by you. Stockman was attacking Democrats for shamelessly pimping disabled people for political points. I agree that his point was boneheaded, not because it isn't true (it is), but because it allows steep-foreheaded people like you to get confused.
This.

But you're not going to get a single word of condemnation from the Obama-nut-huggers. After all, their esteemed chancellor is the king of pimping out people for their visual impact.



He's done the same thing with disabled individuals, children, teachers, etc... every time he wants to make a largely emotionally charged point, he will use people as a crutch for his argument. After all, if you can't win the discussion with logic, just appeal to emotional responses.
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Like the disgust you feel when you see someone in a wheelchair?
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Like the disgust you feel when you see someone in a wheelchair?
More of the same.
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hate anyone trotting people out to make a point based on emotion.
+1

Stockman is totally correct.

That's not to say he wouldn't do the same thing given the chance. Likely any career politician would, because they know we vote and contribute based on image and emotion as much as substance and reason.
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Perhaps people with disabilities, including wheel chair users, do have a legitimate concern and say on health care issues and that they're not simply being "trotted out" for crass political theater but rather, are rolling out of their own accord to speak up for issues that are very important to them.

That they would be so callously dismissed as nothing more than props, as just another clump of "takers" -- perhaps Romney's "47%" should be expanded to include them(?) -- evidences a basic disregard for people with disabilities, and their role in society to lobby to become as full contributing citizens as possible, often with public help and supports.

Honestly, is the GOP running so thin on Americans to denigrate and demean that they are now going after citizens with disabilities lobbying for themselves?
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Perhaps people with disabilities, including wheel chair users, do have a legitimate concern and say on health care issues and that they're not simply being "trotted out" for crass political theater but rather, are rolling out of their own accord to speak up for issues that are very important to them.

That they would be so callously dismissed as nothing more than props, as just another clump of "takers" -- perhaps Romney's "47%" should be expanded to include them(?) -- evidences a basic disregard for people with disabilities, and their role in society to lobby to become as full contributing citizens as possible, often with public help and supports.

Honestly, is the GOP running so thin on Americans to denigrate and demean that they are now going after citizens with disabilities lobbying for themselves?
Such a narrow minded view.

Everyone has a legitimate concern and say on health care issues. The people who contribute more to the system than they consume from it, and the people that consume more from it than they contribute. If a politician is taking some action for the greater good, s/he should be able to express that in terms of reason and fact, and should have an entire swath of society standing nearby in support.

But this not just about health care. For any issue, politicians can select anyone, from anywhere along any social spectrum, to hold up as examples of "the fine people" they're working to benefit. Rest assured that the media-savvy ones select those people very carefully.

When Obama wanted to blast Congress for not doing what he wanted on gun control, he had Newtown family peeps with him. Why didn't he have anyone whose life had been saved by a gun there to present a balanced view of the issue? Because he's a politician, and he'll spew any kind of bulls1t he can get away with, including shameless appeals for emotion to override reason, in order to get what he wants.

Neither party has enough integrity to avoid this. But they feed us what we've shown we'll eat.
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Perhaps people with disabilities, including wheel chair users, do have a legitimate concern and say on health care issues and that they're not simply being "trotted out" for crass political theater but rather, are rolling out of their own accord to speak up for issues that are very important to them.

That they would be so callously dismissed as nothing more than props, as just another clump of "takers" -- perhaps Romney's "47%" should be expanded to include them(?) -- evidences a basic disregard for people with disabilities, and their role in society to lobby to become as full contributing citizens as possible, often with public help and supports.

Honestly, is the GOP running so thin on Americans to denigrate and demean that they are now going after citizens with disabilities lobbying for themselves?
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Re: Steve Stockman (R): People In Wheelchairs Help Democrats Win Health Care Argument

Quite happy, actually: beautiful wife, great young son, good job and house, oh, and a nice M3 to tool around in -- not many complaints on the home front.

However, I would like to see my good fortunes not to be the exception, not something relegated to a few. Just because I got mine doesn't mean simply that I want to get more, but rather, to help others, the ability to achieve and fairly share from their efforts and our society's successes to create a broad, robust and enduring society and country.

I don't see a retrenchment to the 1950s, 1850's or 1550's to be amicable to that desire. Our country's rush to the Gilded Age II is a rush backwards to an unstable paradigm.
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Quite happy, actually: beautiful wife, great young son, good job and house, oh, and a nice M3 to tool around in -- not many complaints on the home front.

However, I would like to see my good fortunes not to be the exception, not something relegated to a few. Just because I got mine doesn't mean simply that I want to get more, but rather, to help others, the ability to achieve and fairly share from their efforts and our society's successes to create a broad, robust and enduring society and country.

I don't see a retrenchment to the 1950s, 1850's or 1550's to be amicable to that desire. Our country's rush to the Gilded Age II is a rush backwards to an unstable paradigm.
I agree. And it should be done, but the agenda that the modern day democrats are pushing looks good in the short term, but I'm certain in the long haul, there will be implications. These things need more time in the planning stage for them to be fully effective and efficient.
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Steve Stockman (R): People In Wheelchairs Help Democrats Win Health Care Argume

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Honestly, is the GOP running so thin on Americans to denigrate and demean that they are now going after citizens with disabilities lobbying for themselves?
When all you and OP do is read snippets of an article from a cesspool like Huffington Post I can actually see how you are so narrow minded. Just stop going to that site.


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