E46 BMW Social Directory E46 FAQ 3-Series Discussion Forums BMW Photo Gallery BMW 3-Series Technical Information E46 Fanatics - The Ultimate BMW Resource BMW Vendors General E46 Forum The Tire Rack's Tire Wheel Forum Forced Induction Forum The Off-Topic The E46 BMW Showroom For Sale, For Trade or Wanting to Buy

Welcome to the E46Fanatics forums. E46Fanatics is the premiere website for BMW 3 series owners around the world with interactive forums, a geographical enthusiast directory, photo galleries, and technical information for BMW enthusiasts.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.

Go Back   E46Fanatics > Everything Else > The Off-Topic > Political Talk

Political Talk
You may discuss anything regarding politics in this forum ONLY. If you cannot respect others opinions, your access to this forum will be removed.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 08-16-2013, 02:47 PM   #1
Cabrio330
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Smyrna
Posts: 127
My Ride: 2005 330cic ZHP
Obama's Constitution Twisting

Enjoy.

Obama's Constitution twisting: His arrogant claims are worse than Nixon's
By George Will, JewishWorldReview.com August 14, 2013

Quote:
President Obama’s increasingly grandiose claims for presidential power are inversely proportional to his shriveling residency. Desperation fuels arrogance as, barely 200 days into the 1,462 days of his second term, his pantry of excuses for failure is bare, his domestic agenda is nonexistent and his foreign policy of empty rhetorical deadlines and red lines is floundering. And at last week’s news conference he offered inconvenience as a justification for illegality.

Explaining his decision to unilaterally rewrite the Affordable Care Act (ACA), he said: “I didn’t simply choose to” ignore the statutory requirement for beginning in 2014 the employer mandate to provide employees with health care. No, “this was in consultation with businesses.”

He continued: “In a normal political environment, it would have been easier for me to simply call up the speaker and say, you know what, this is a tweak that doesn’t go to the essence of the law... It looks like there may be some better ways to do this, let’s make a technical change to the law. That would be the normal thing that I would prefer to do. But we’re not in a normal atmosphere around here when it comes to Obamacare. We did have the executive authority to do so, and we did so.”

Serving as props in the scripted charade of White House news conferences, journalists did not ask the pertinent question: “Where does the Constitution confer upon presidents the ‘executive authority’ to ignore the separation of powers by revising laws?” The question could have elicited an Obama rarity: brevity. Because there is no such authority.

Obama’s explanation began with an irrelevancy. He consulted with businesses before disregarding his constitutional duty to “take care that the laws be faithfully executed.” That duty does not lapse when a president decides Washington’s “political environment” is not “normal.”

When was it “normal”? The 1850s? The 1950s? Washington has been the nation’s capital for 213 years; Obama has been here less than nine. Even if he understood “normal” political environments here, the Constitution is not suspended when a president decides the “environment” is abnormal.

Neither does the Constitution confer on presidents the power to rewrite laws if they decide the change is a “tweak” not involving the law’s “essence.” Anyway, the employer mandate is essential to the ACA.

Twenty-three days before his news conference, the House voted 264 to 161, with 35 Democrats in the majority, for the rule of law — for, that is, the Authority for Mandate Delay Act. It would have done lawfully what Obama did by ukase. He threatened to veto this use of legislation to alter a law. The White House called it “unnecessary,” presumably because he has an uncircumscribed “executive authority” to alter laws.

In a 1977 interview with Richard Nixon, David Frost asked: “Would you say that there are certain situations... where the president can decide that it’s in the best interests of the nation... and do something illegal?”

Nixon: “Well, when the president does it, that means it is not illegal.”

Frost: “By definition.”

Nixon: “Exactly, exactly.”

Nixon’s claim, although constitutionally grotesque, was less so than the claim implicit in Obama’s actions regarding the ACA. Nixon’s claim was confined to matters of national security or (he said to Frost) “a threat to internal peace and order of significant magnitude.” Obama’s audacity is more spacious; it encompasses a right to disregard any portion of any law pertaining to any subject at any time when the political “environment” is difficult.

Obama should be embarrassed that, by ignoring the legal requirement concerning the employer mandate, he has validated critics who say the ACA cannot be implemented as written. What does not embarrass him is his complicity in effectively rewriting the ACA for the financial advantage of self-dealing members of Congress and their staffs.

The ACA says members of Congress (annual salaries: $174,000) and their staffs (thousands making more than $100,000) must participate in the law’s insurance exchanges. It does not say that when this change goes into effect, the current federal subsidy for this affluent cohort — up to 75 percent of the premium’s cost, perhaps $10,000 for families — should be unchanged.

When Congress awakened to what it enacted, it panicked: This could cause a flight of talent, making Congress less wonderful. So Obama directed the Office of Personnel Management, which has no power to do this, to authorize for the political class special subsidies unavailable for less privileged and less affluent citizens.

If the president does it, it’s legal? “Exactly, exactly.”
Cabrio330 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2013, 02:54 PM   #2
casino is no lie
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: CDT
Posts: 76
My Ride: M54B30
The people who are complaining that he ignored the 2014 employer mandate are up there with those who criticized him for not closing Guantanamo Bay despite the fact that they criticized him for wanting to close it in the first place.
__________________
casino is no lie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2013, 03:01 PM   #3
Cabrio330
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Smyrna
Posts: 127
My Ride: 2005 330cic ZHP
Quote:
Originally Posted by casino is no lie View Post
The people who are complaining that he ignored the 2014 employer mandate are up there with those who criticized him for not closing Guantanamo Bay despite the fact that they criticized him for wanting to close it in the first place.
No, the criticism on Guantanamo was because he either purposely lied about closing Guantanamo when he knew he would not close it, or because he was too naïve to know that closing it would be not possible or desirable. Take your pick, but it must be one of the two and either way, you voted for a liar or a rank amateur. Regardless, you have nothing to offer to rebut or discount Will's points?

Edit: I really like your new sig! That cat could teach Keanu Reeves how to emote!

Last edited by Cabrio330; 08-16-2013 at 03:04 PM.
Cabrio330 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2013, 03:10 PM   #4
casino is no lie
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: CDT
Posts: 76
My Ride: M54B30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabrio330 View Post
No, the criticism on Guantanamo was because he either purposely lied about closing Guantanamo when he knew he would not close it, or because he was too naïve to know that closing it would be not possible or desirable.
And what doesn't make you think he lied about the employer mandate? Isn't it possible he included it to appease Democrats but never fully intended to enforce it? Or perhaps he intended to enforce it from the beginning, but due to his naivety he didn't realize at the time how difficult it would be to accomplish and that the impact might not be desirable?
__________________
casino is no lie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2013, 03:17 PM   #5
Cabrio330
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Smyrna
Posts: 127
My Ride: 2005 330cic ZHP
Quote:
Originally Posted by casino is no lie View Post
And what doesn't make you think he lied about the employer mandate? Isn't it possible he included it to appease Democrats but never fully intended to enforce it? Or perhaps he intended to enforce it from the beginning, but due to his naivety he didn't realize at the time how difficult it would be to accomplish and that the impact might not be desirable?
I am sure you are right - he either lied about it from the start or was too ignorant to understand it would not work. Which do you think it is? But either way, do you agree that he is trashing the Constitution by ignoring his own law?

Last edited by Cabrio330; 08-16-2013 at 03:18 PM.
Cabrio330 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2013, 03:50 PM   #6
BB BMW
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Right Here
Posts: 499
My Ride: 04 330ci ZHP
Closing GITMO was not a LAW passed by the House and Senate.
See the difference?
__________________

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson
BB BMW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2013, 03:53 PM   #7
NOVAbimmer
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: VA
Posts: 12,439
My Ride: 14 Impala FXST M796
Obama's Constitution Twisting

ITT: campaign promises are now law


Sent from BimmerApp mobile app
__________________
NOVAbimmer is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2013, 05:44 PM   #8
Lair
Modded ///Member
 
Lair's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Sea level
Posts: 321
My Ride: e90, cheap Boxster
Quote:
Originally Posted by JewishWorldReview.com
moan, bltch, whine
Jews hate Obama.
__________________

Quote:
It's the best years of your life they want to steal.
Congratulations.
Lair is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2013, 06:03 PM   #9
2000_328CI
DK Jack Sparrow
 
2000_328CI's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Isla de Muerta | DC/VA
Posts: 29,024
My Ride: 328Ci | Range Rover
Send a message via AIM to 2000_328CI Send a message via MSN to 2000_328CI
Quickly... insert liberal aggression, heads in sand, and bantering on about W.
__________________

Everything you need to know on muffler deletes : http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=745244
Wrapping an E46 in Vinyl : http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthr...ghlight=bronze
2000_328CI is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2013, 06:11 PM   #10
Lair
Modded ///Member
 
Lair's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Sea level
Posts: 321
My Ride: e90, cheap Boxster
Quickly. . .post op-ed from an angry Jew.
__________________

Quote:
It's the best years of your life they want to steal.
Congratulations.
Lair is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2013, 07:55 PM   #11
Cabrio330
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Smyrna
Posts: 127
My Ride: 2005 330cic ZHP
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lair View Post
Quickly. . .post op-ed from an angry Jew.
Yes, George Will dropped the "stein" at Ellis Island. Typical idiotic post by loser lair.
Cabrio330 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2013, 08:48 PM   #12
Lair
Modded ///Member
 
Lair's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Sea level
Posts: 321
My Ride: e90, cheap Boxster
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabrio330 View Post
Yes, George Will dropped the "stein" at Ellis Island. Typical idiotic post by loser lair.
Looks like Obama's twisting some titties, too.
__________________

Quote:
It's the best years of your life they want to steal.
Congratulations.
Lair is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-2013, 11:31 AM   #13
casino is no lie
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: CDT
Posts: 76
My Ride: M54B30
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2000_328CI View Post
Quickly... let me insert liberal aggression, heads in sand, and bantering on about W.
ftfy
__________________
casino is no lie is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Censor is ON





All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:22 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
(c) 1999 - 2011 performanceIX Inc - privacy policy - terms of use