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Old 09-04-2013, 02:13 PM   #21
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I never said there were any advantages for the employer. But for the person the visa is for, they are essentially bound to that employer until they've been here long enough so that they can file for either an immigrant visa or permanent residency. Eliminate the H-1B visa and introduce a new immigrant visa for highly skilled immigrants that doesn't have an employer requirement.
They're not bound to anyone one employer. A simple H-1 transfer is required when moving to a new employer. It's not uncommon. I have a new employee going through such a transfer as we speak.


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I was exaggerating the implications of retarding scientific research.

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Care to define what makes up "Scientific Advancement".
One could certainly argue that from a "value" standpoint, the advancements of Greece & Rome out stripe all others. The aqueduct, arch, & concrete for just a few examples.

Not to mention the invention of gunpowder in China around the 9th century CE. (during the "Dark Ages" period.)

So to just say scientific advancement is the number of hi-tech doodads, is a very one-sided view of science.
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Old 09-04-2013, 03:45 PM   #23
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Care to define what makes up "Scientific Advancement".
One could certainly argue that from a "value" standpoint, the advancements of Greece & Rome out stripe all others. The aqueduct, arch, & concrete for just a few examples.

Not to mention the invention of gunpowder in China around the 9th century CE. (during the "Dark Ages" period.)

So to just say scientific advancement is the number of hi-tech doodads, is a very one-sided view of science.
One could argue that your point about China is irrelevant since the Dark Ages deals primarily with the Europe.

The same could be said about aqueducts, arches and concrete given their presence prior to the Dark Ages.

One might even argue that you missed the point entirely.


But that's just one person's argument.
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Nameless scientists "contemplate" moving out of the US due "in part" to sequestration? Come on now, there's some artistic license at work! OMG we didn't increase spending 2% the sky is falling!!!!
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Nameless scientists "contemplate" moving out of the US due "in part" to sequestration? Come on now, there's some artistic license at work! OMG we didn't increase spending 2% the sky is falling!!!!
I used it as a jumping point. It's not the first time it's been a topic of discussion in the news. But I do appreciate the time you took to... well I appreciate the words you were able to string together that resemble a post
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Title should be "20% of 3700 Scientists contemplate moving overseas"
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One could argue that your point about China is irrelevant since the Dark Ages deals primarily with the Europe.

The same could be said about aqueducts, arches and concrete given their presence prior to the Dark Ages.

One might even argue that you missed the point entirely.


But that's just one person's argument.
Since gunpowder was mentioned on its own line with its own specific and only reference to the "Dark Ages", it can be argued that you missed the point entirely. Not to mention that in a graph showing "scientific advancement" over time, one must include that which falls into a given time slot, whether or not it was "The hole left by the christian dark ages" even if it did not occur in a christian area of the globe.

But that's just one person's argument.

I am all for bashing christianity But, don't throw the baby of science out with the bathwater of ecumenical tyranny.
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