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Old 10-02-2013, 09:54 PM   #1
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Fog HID kit or just replace light bulbs?

I'm debating which route to go regarding my fog lights and will like to hear some recommendations. I am installing 6000K AEs and don't really like how my car will look with them being 6000K DRLs' (bright white) plus HID Bi-Xenon headlights and the dull 4300K (yellow) OEM fog lights. My vehicle is a facelift 2004 330Ci. My question is, should I install a HID fog light kit with 6000K light bulbs or just replace the OEM light bulbs with 6000K (PIAA, LUMIKO, RAYBRIG, etc.) light bulbs? What's the mayor difference between having an HID kit and simply replacing the bulbs? Will a 6000K HID fog light kit be too overkill and bright, (blinding), considering I'll have 6000K AEs'? I appreciate all input provided.
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Old 10-02-2013, 09:56 PM   #2
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Re: Fog HID kit or just replace light bulbs?

I generally run only my angel eyes and my hid fogs and they are almost the exact same shade. Low beams which I don't use much is a bit whiter. Also I have euro corner delete so the amber's don't come on unless I signal

Correction, I run low beams only on the freeway or very dark roads

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Old 10-02-2013, 10:09 PM   #3
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You don't seem to understand how an hid system works. It's not the brightness it's the light pattern. The existing housings are not designed for a hid specific light patter so it throws the light everywhere instead of on the road. It's very dangerous and you should not do it.
If you absolutely need to, do it the right way and retrofit projectors so that it will actually be designed for hid lights.
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That might explain why people flash their high beams at me occasionally. I always thought they did it because my low beams aren't on
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Old 10-02-2013, 10:24 PM   #5
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I agree, go with the kit.. The backing and reflective house specifically designed for proper light didpersion


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You don't seem to understand how an hid system works
Exactly! And that's exactly why I'm here posting and looking for advice. So, if I understand you correctly, I should buy a retrofit kit for HID install, and not just use my current, non-HID halogen housing, correct? Thanks, I really appreciate your insight and clarification.
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Old 10-03-2013, 04:03 AM   #7
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That might explain why people flash their high beams at me occasionally. I always thought they did it because my low beams aren't on
Could be both. But a xenon bulb in a halogen housing actually throws the beam in literally every direction including the eyes of oncoming traffic. If you were to take measurements, you'll probably have less light actually hitting the road than with a regular bulb.
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Exactly! And that's exactly why I'm here posting and looking for advice. So, if I understand you correctly, I should buy a retrofit kit for HID install, and not just use my current, non-HID halogen housing, correct? Thanks, I really appreciate your insight and clarification.
Correct sir. Xenon/HID bulbs systems are designed to be used in what is called a projector housing. It is a different design versus a reflector housing. Projector housings have a specific cutoff which literally cuts the beam of light in half to keep it from extending too far up and into people eyes/onto road signs. I strongly recommend retrofitting a projector if you're planning on using a HID kit. Not only will it be safer but you'll have MUCH better light output into the road and it will actually look cooler even when the lights are off.
Check out the retrofit source for good kits. It's expensive but worth it if you want great lights.
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You don't seem to understand how an hid system works. It's not the brightness it's the light pattern. The existing housings are not designed for a hid specific light patter so it throws the light everywhere instead of on the road. It's very dangerous and you should not do it.
If you absolutely need to, do it the right way and retrofit projectors so that it will actually be designed for hid lights.
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Correct sir. Xenon/HID bulbs systems are designed to be used in what is called a projector housing. It is a different design versus a reflector housing. Projector housings have a specific cutoff which literally cuts the beam of light in half to keep it from extending too far up and into people eyes/onto road signs. I strongly recommend retrofitting a projector if you're planning on using a HID kit. Not only will it be safer but you'll have MUCH better light output into the road and it will actually look cooler even when the lights are off.
Check out the retrofit source for good kits. It's expensive but worth it if you want great lights.
Got it, appreciate this very clear explanation. Also, thanks for pointing out that web page, is loaded with valuable information. So going back to my original post, can it be said that a 6000K fog light is a waste of $? What can I expect from one of these expensive bulbs?
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Alright guys, I'm having a hard time finding a Xenon/HID projector fog light kit for my '04 330Ci facelift. I have the stock facelift coupe/vert bumper and there isn't much out there for them. I'd checked with several vendors and no one seems to carry such a monster. Can anyone point me in a direction of a vendor where I might find one? I believe I saw somewhere a DIY to retrofit them, is that my only option? Thanks!
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Well, you may be right. I've seen the projector fogs for the m3 bumper but never really paid attention about the other bumpers. I didn't know there was a diy for fog hids, just the low and high beam ones. Perhaps another alternative r
would be to go with one of those high power wattage led projector bulbs. It's fairly bright from what it seems yet, wouldn't be blinding bright (at your average on coming car distance bright) and seems stylish to me. Like my led angels, at night, they're so bright within 5-6 feet or less that it's hard to look at them directly. I could only imagine what those led projector bulbs would be like. I may look into getting them later when I can justify the $50+ for a set, or when the prices go down.

Plus my angel brightness doesn't seem like a glaring bright. Just one of those, "Damn those are bright"
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Old 10-10-2013, 01:36 PM   #14
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I'm putting a 6000k HID kit in my E46 fogs, with a separate harness for power.

Yes, I was that jackass with bi-xenon headlights, and xenon fogs in my Neon beater.
Guess what? The lighting was AMAZING, and not once did I get flashed by other cars, because I know how to adjust my headlights.
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Regardless if they are adjusted properly you are still doing it wrong. Xenon bulbs and projectors is what should be done.
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There are no projector fogs that I know of, which fit my bumper.

I'll go ahead and spend $50 to have amazing lighting, at the expense of having a few people online saying I'm "doing it wrong".
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