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Old 08-27-2013, 12:47 PM   #41
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Anyone try this interface sounds like the "magic bullet"
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-USB-OBD-...b475a7&vxp=mtr
Great set of tools, more than what most people need, VERY hard to install and to get working properly.

Also this software does not address the basic things most of us need on a regular basis and NOT BMW specific like:

Emission Readiness Monitor Status
Freeze Frame Data
Real Time Date in normal terms.
OBDII Standard Codes
Graphing

A stand alone $65-$70 OBDII tool will do most of what everyone here needs and will work on ALMOST any car or trunk since 1996. This also includes Manufacturer specific codes as long as the manufacturer conforms to the OBDII standard for interpreting the codes. MANY times people think the generic OBDII tools will not provide manufacturer specific codes, but they can as long as the manufacturer follows the OBDII rules.

What have had MANY issues with Fanatic cars where the problem was only able to be resolved with recording and graphing data and this was actually done in most instanced with a $5 Andriod App and a $15 OBD-Bluetooth interface.

The more advanced tools would have missed the issues that we needed to identify and resolve.

So be careful what you ask for.

It still baffles me that ANY OBDII tool supplier even sells a tool without the items I listed above. Except for graphing and recording, IMHO ALL OBDII tools should provide Emission Readiness Monitors, Real Time and Freeze Frame data at a MINIMUM. You are totally in the dark without at least these 3 items along with code reading and clearing capability.
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Old 08-27-2013, 01:02 PM   #42
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You are making too much sense.

I'm eagerly waiting for Amazon to deliver my reader so I can continue to diagnosing my emissions issues. Thanks for being helpful.

My mechanic keeps saying is drive, drive, drive. I've driven 500 miles already!





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Great set of tools, more than what most people need, VERY hard to install and to get working properly.

Also this software does not address the basic things most of us need on a regular basis and NOT BMW specific like:

Emission Readiness Monitor Status
Freeze Frame Data
Real Time Date in normal terms.
OBDII Standard Codes
Graphing

A stand alone $65-$70 OBDII tool will do most of what everyone here needs and will work on ALMOST any car or trunk since 1996. This also includes Manufacturer specific codes as long as the manufacturer conforms to the OBDII standard for interpreting the codes. MANY times people think the generic OBDII tools will not provide manufacturer specific codes, but they can as long as the manufacturer follows the OBDII rules.

What have had MANY issues with Fanatic cars where the problem was only able to be resolved with recording and graphing data and this was actually done in most instanced with a $5 Andriod App and a $15 OBD-Bluetooth interface.

The more advanced tools would have missed the issues that we needed to identify and resolve.

So be careful what you ask for.

It still baffles me that ANY OBDII tool supplier even sells a tool without the items I listed above. Except for graphing and recording, IMHO ALL OBDII tools should provide Emission Readiness Monitors, Real Time and Freeze Frame data at a MINIMUM. You are totally in the dark without at least these 3 items along with code reading and clearing capability.
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Old 08-27-2013, 01:10 PM   #43
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My mechanic keeps saying is drive, drive, drive. I've driven 500 miles already!
Assume you are referring to clearing all the Emission Readiness Monitors? You do not need 500 miles for them to clear, something is wrong, but I assume you know that?

Also assume you have another thread somewhere regarding your issues?

Usually Readiness Monitors will fully clear on a properly operating car in about 30-50 miles and usually over 2-3 cold starts.
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Old 08-27-2013, 02:49 PM   #44
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Yeah, I piggy backed on another thread posting my issues and read a few of your postings. Since I don't have any faults I'm hoping the OBD reader will shed some light. At least I will be able to post so actual numbers.



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Assume you are referring to clearing all the Emission Readiness Monitors? You do not need 500 miles for them to clear, something is wrong, but I assume you know that?

Also assume you have another thread somewhere regarding your issues?

Usually Readiness Monitors will fully clear on a properly operating car in about 30-50 miles and usually over 2-3 cold starts.
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Old 09-03-2013, 10:53 AM   #45
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UPDATE - IOS iPhone/iPad OBD App this is reasonably cost effective?

So for the iPhone/iPad crowd, you may want to check this out??

OBD Fusion from the developers of OBDWiz and TouchScan.

I have not used this app yet, but it looks similar to Torque Pro for the Android based products?

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/obd-...ign-mpt=uo%3D4

$10 App with a $25 OBD-WiFi interface for a $35 tool. NOTE, this appears to need an OBD to WiFi interface, not an ODB to Bluetooth interface.

http://www.amazon.com/Elm327-Wirless.../dp/B00AOIM2CC

I am sure you can shop the interface around and maybe find it slightly cheaper?

Anyone that has tried this out, please update with review and comments.
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Old 10-08-2013, 10:35 AM   #46
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jfoj, thank you so much for taking the time out to write all of this out. You seriously are a great asset here man! I'm about to pick up this this adapter with the Torque app option for my car.
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Old 10-08-2013, 01:49 PM   #47
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jfoj, thank you so much for taking the time out to write all of this out. You seriously are a great asset here man!
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Old 10-08-2013, 02:58 PM   #48
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FYI, based on another review here I got this one a few weeks ago and it's been great. Using it with Torque on my Nexus 7. It's nice since it's low profile and I can leave it plugged in for monitoring during driving.

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Old 10-09-2013, 02:34 PM   #49
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Just to update and summarize for anyone that skips to the later part of this thread.

As I mentioned, everyone NEEDS to buy an OBDII tool. For as little as $30 you can have a tool that does everything you need. Actually the cheaper tools have capabilities to record data to a CSV file so the data can be graphed as needed. See some of the graphs below.

How do you get a tool for $30 or under.

If you have an Andriod phone or tablet, a $5 App and a $15 interface. Either Torque Pro or Touch Scan.

If you have an iPhone, iPad or iTouch, a $10 App and a $25 interface. OBD Fusion seems to be the cheapest IOS solution.

If you have a Windows laptop you can get ODBWiz with interface for under $30. From Amazon, link at the beginning of the thread.

Also ELM has their own software provided with some of their OBD interfaces called ScanMaster ELM.

Some other low cost options that support Emission Readiness, Freeze Frame and Live/Real Time Data-

$33 - Autel AULMS310 - http://www.amazon.com/Autel-AULMS310...Autel-AULMS310

$45 - Autel AutoLink AL319 - http://www.amazon.com/Autel-AutoLink...eywords=al+319

$52 - Autel MaxiScan MS509 - http://www.amazon.com/MaxiScan-MS509...maxiscan+ms509

$79 - Autel Autolink AL519 - http://www.amazon.com/Autel-AL519-Co...eywords=al+519

$90 - Autel AutoLink AL439 which is a combination scan tool AND Voltmeter - http://www.amazon.com/Autel-AL439-OB...eywords=al+439

$115 - Autel Autolink AL539 which is a combination scan tool AND Voltmeter with battery and alternator testing capability along with graphing and recording OBDII data streams - http://www.amazon.com/Autel-AL539-OB...eywords=al+539
I have not used these specific tools, but it looks like they offer most features that are needed.

And you can get a very good stand alone OBDII scan tool for just under $100, or step up a bit and likely get a very good tool for around $160.

Search Launch CReader 123 or CRP123/129 and see what these can do for over 30 different manufacturers for between $100-$200.

And to the folks that think they MUST HAVE BMW specific tools and software, do everyone a favor and do not buy any of these tools without at least having purchased a generic OBDII tool that supports Emission Readiness Monitors, Freeze Frame and Live/Real Time data and preferably data logging and recording. These generic tools are FAR more useful than most people realize.
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Old 10-16-2013, 03:45 PM   #50
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Just to update and summarize for anyone that skips to the later part of this thread.

As I mentioned, everyone NEEDS to buy an OBDII tool. For as little as $30 you can have a tool that does everything you need. Actually the cheaper tools have capabilities to record data to a CSV file so the data can be graphed as needed. See some of the graphs below.

How do you get a tool for $30 or under.

If you have an Andriod phone or tablet, a $5 App and a $15 interface.

If you have an iPhone, iPad or iTouch, a $10 App and a $25 interface.

If you have a Windows laptop you can get ODBWiz with interface for under $30. From Amazon, link at the beginning of the thread.

Also ELM has their own software provided with some of their OBD interfaces called ScanMaster ELM.

Some other low cost options -

$33 - http://www.amazon.com/Autel-AULMS310...=pd_sbs_auto_3

$43 - http://www.amazon.com/Autel-MaxiScan...sim_sbs_auto_4

I have not used these specific tools, but it looks like they offer most features that are needed.

And you can get a very good stand alone OBDII scan tool for just under $100, or step up a bit and likely get a very good tool for around $160.

Search Launch CReader 123 or CRP123/129 and see what these can do for over 30 different manufacturers for between $100-$200.
I am on the fence and have read these threads several times and was looking for your advise for the deciding factor regarding my decision on purchasing a better tool. I have a OBDII generic tool that can read/clear basic codes already, I want to read and analyze real time so I can work on my car. I have both OBDI & OBDII ports if it makes any difference in my decision, as I believe I can get an adaptor if need be. I like the Movi Pro since I mainly use Mac, but like the ease of ability to have a scan tool and like the CReader Pro 123. Which device would be a greater benefit in the ability to obtain more data, and track down specifics?
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Old 10-17-2013, 12:18 PM   #53
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I am on the fence and have read these threads several times and was looking for your advise for the deciding factor regarding my decision on purchasing a better tool. I have a OBDII generic tool that can read/clear basic codes already, I want to read and analyze real time so I can work on my car. I have both OBDI & OBDII ports if it makes any difference in my decision, as I believe I can get an adaptor if need be. I like the Movi Pro since I mainly use Mac, but like the ease of ability to have a scan tool and like the CReader Pro 123. Which device would be a greater benefit in the ability to obtain more data, and track down specifics?
Unfortunately there is not a single answer that will cover everything.

The best balance for support and for the wallet it to purchase BMW Scanner 1.4.0 then purchase either a hand held stand alone tool and/or a $30 program that works on a phone or PC.

The CReader Pro 123 is a nice well rounded tool, but it lacks the ability to graph data to an external source easily. I have not tried to save anything to the micro SD card and look at it yet, I do however, use the on screen graphing often, but sometimes it is better to be able to have the data that can then be imported into a program to be looked at from different angles. That being said most people do not do much graphing. Mostly with O2 sensors, but at the end of the day O2 sensors are consumable, so you could just outright replace them as needed anyway. Problem is with some sensors, this may mean close to $400!

The CReader Pro 123 supports ABS and Airbags, I have read the info on BMW's, VW, GMC Trucks and so forth, I do not recall that I have had to actually reset ABS or Airbag lights with the tool yet.

As for your car, you will need a 20 pin round to 16 pin OBD adapter, you can get them on Amazon for a decent price. The round port is not really an OBDI port, it is a port that is required to connect to ABS, Airbag an all other modules in the car. The round cap should have jumpers that enables the under dash port to work, but it will only read the DME.

Even you cheap generic tool may be worth keeping in the trunk. The problem with most computerized programs is you have to have the cable, the computer and the computer has to have a good battery for you to use it, otherwise you will be dragging an extension cord out with you if you can reach power, otherwise you will need an inverter.

I have about a dozen scan tools and software, going all the way back to the OBDI GM Tech 1. So I have quite a bit of different tools to use.
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Updated information.

Another Android based OBDII App from the makers of OBDWiz, Touch Scan from the Play Store for $3.95. I have not checked it out, it is $1.05 cheaper than Torque Pro, may have a lot of the same features as Torque Pro, may do some things differently, I just do not know.

But just wanted to let everyone know there is another Android based option.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...ions.TouchScan

A FREE 2 week Trail version is available here - http://www.obdsoftware.net/TrialVersion.aspx

Also a comment for both OBDWiz and Touch Scan, there appears to be a "Professional" Add On that gives you more features and capability for $39.95. Again, I cannot comment on this Add On as I have not used it yet, but it cold come in helpful for more in depth analysis.

http://www.obdsoftware.net/ProfessionalAddOn.aspx
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I think I'm going to give obd fusion a try as I dot have a laptop ATM, only a non portable PC. I'm hoping that the live data recording is on par with what I need. It says it is exportable so I'm assuming this means its in a good format. We will see
Most tools give you the option to export via CSV file format.

Even OBD Wiz allows that as well.

Have not tried OBD Fusion first hand, but I have been supporting a Fanatic here that purchased it and he has sent me numerous CSV files from captures that I have looked over and commented on. Additionally I have communicated with the author of OBDWiz, TouchScan and OBD Fusion and he has been pretty responsive. I have also added the Profession add on pack to my OBDWiz and only had a few moments to play with the Professional add on pack, so other than just the basic features that were expanded a bit, I cannot comment much yet. I am interested to see if I can use the PID search tool on a few interesting cars and actually monitor some things that do not follow the basic OBDII format, but time is my enemy at the moment.

Will all these tools there is a slight learning curve, however, most will figure them out pretty quickly.
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Old 11-14-2013, 10:19 PM   #57
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jfoj, a ton of great information here, most of which is way over my head! I have a $40 generic code reader (orange plastic case, can't remember the brand). Will it allow me to turn off the SES light, or do I need some other device? I shudder at the thought of having to take my car to the dealer.

BTW, the light came on tonight, after I replaced the fuel filter. Any chance it might go off by itself? Thanks!
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jfoj, a ton of great information here, most of which is way over my head! I have a $40 generic code reader (orange plastic case, can't remember the brand). Will it allow me to turn off the SES light, or do I need some other device? I shudder at the thought of having to take my car to the dealer.

BTW, the light came on tonight, after I replaced the fuel filter. Any chance it might go off by itself? Thanks!
CEL/SES/MIL light will turn itself off once the problem has not been seen for a number of start cycles. Each error may have different requirements for the light to clean on its own.

You likely have an Actron scan tool if it is orange? Check the model number, go to the manufacturers site and see what is is cable off. I do not like the Actron scan tools, way over priced for the features and they continue to offer tools that do not support Emission Readiness Monitors, Freeze Frame, Live/Real Time data. These 3 features are a MUST in my opinion.

With tools, Apps and interfaces so cheap these days, you should have something that can also graph. So for $30 or under, there are IOS, Android and Windows solutions that support the 3 key features AND record/graph data.

EVERYONE needs a decent OBDII scan tool, once you have one, you never need it! Kind of like a snow blower, you spend all that money, say "Bring on the snow" and your new snow blower sits for 3 years unused!

You need the DTC's as soon as the light comes on, as it may clear on its own. I cannot speculate or guess if the light was fuel filter related, doubt it. Plenty of other problems.

You then need to monitor things like engine coolant temperature and Fuel Trims as there are many problems the car can have without a CEL/SES/MIL light turning on.

Once you get your own OBDII tool that supports Live/Real Time data, then you can start to get to know your car. What is normal, what is not and then benchmark certain values. Then once a month check things like temperatures and fuel trims and make sure there are no pending DTC's.

Dealers are not the only place to get your car repaired, matter of fact it is likely the most expensive and the one place where they will try to upsell you on plenty of services that you may or may not need and you may be able to DIY for far cheaper.
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Old 11-15-2013, 10:31 AM   #59
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Thanks for the very detailed response! I'll find out what the reader model is, check any codes and report back...Actron does sound familiar. I will look into the iOS apps for sure.

I guess the SES light coming on could be a coincidence, but it happened right after I changed the filter out. So much air in the fuel system that it was chugging for about three miles on the way home; sounded more like a Subaru boxer 4 than our legendarily smooth inline-6. The filter that I removed hadn't been changed before; check out the Black Lagoon of Death when I ripped it open:
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Old 11-15-2013, 03:12 PM   #60
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SES light is now off, thanks to a friend with a premium code reader. I didn't jot down the specific code, but it had something to do with engine misfire, and it felt like it misfired plenty while the injectors were gulping air instead of fuel.

Thanks for your help.
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