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Old 10-23-2013, 09:25 PM   #41
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so then what's everyone complaining about?

Summary of Marshmallow with some ad lib:

M: Government is too big!

Ok, how big is it?

M: I don't know, it's just too big!

Points to figures...

M: *mind blown* No, no, that can't be! We must cut it 90%!

Ok, what would you cut?

M: I don't know! Just cut it!

Ok, how small a government do you want?

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I don't know, just cut it!

I see where this is going...
This is not a response to Marshmellow, who seems freshmen in his views.

But on government size, this is a great paper I have been asking people to read. No one will take the 20 minutes to read it. I think this describes A LOT about our government's size, and provides histograms of growth. I would love to discuss this paper, after someone reads it. It is a good, non-biased paper. But I don't want to bias it by giving my conclusions after learning the historical information.

Please read. http://research.stlouisfed.org/publi...rrettRhine.pdf
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Old 10-24-2013, 09:33 AM   #42
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Old 10-24-2013, 10:24 AM   #43
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Not so much it seems, federal employment is at 47-year low
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Wanting a smaller government doesn't have anything to do with the number of employees.

It's ALL about how involved the government is in our every day lives.
Healthcare, education, environment, income, housing, energy, etc., etc.
While I agree that the govt needs to be involved in certain areas, it is slowly becoming involved in WAY to much.
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Old 10-24-2013, 10:41 AM   #44
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Wanting a smaller government doesn't have anything to do with the number of employees.

It's ALL about how involved the government is in our every day lives.
Healthcare, education, environment, income, housing, energy, etc., etc.
While I agree that the govt needs to be involved in certain areas, it is slowly becoming involved in WAY to much.
And you have evidence to back up these claims?

I get the impression that these sort of statements are just simply the thing to say. They're gut feelings based on the general consensus of the media that you consume.

I've made the following example before about how things are getting "worse". It appears to me, based on the posts and comments posted by the Republicans, you would have screamed bloody murder in the 50's and 60's about the evil communist US government:

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"The DOJ has already dismantled a number of beer deals in the past. Anheuser was the target of one of the first cases in 1958, when it purchased Miami-based American Brewing Company. The government forced it to divest the purchase and refrain from buying any other brewery for the next five years without court approval.

A similar verdict was reached in the case of then-No. 2 Schlitz, which was challenged in court in 1966 after having bought California's third-largest brewer, Burgermeister, in 1961 and a 40 percent stake in Canada's Labatt in 1964. The company was ordered to sell off both holdings and refrain from acquiring new plants anywhere in the country for the next 10 years.

In 1959, the DOJ sued to prevent the merger of Pabst, then the 10th-largest brewer, with the 18th-biggest, Blatz. The suit was first filed in the District Court of Milwaukee but wound up in the Supreme Court, which in 1966 ruled the deal was anti-competitive and forced Pabst to divest Blatz. The justices' opinion noted that "if not stopped, this decline in the number of separate competitors and this rise in the share of the market controlled by the larger beer manufacturers are bound to lead to greater and greater concentration of the beer industry into fewer and fewer hands."
Kind of makes you wonder if the government today is really that intrusive. If anything, government has become too lenient with large companies. See above for how they used to handle this sort of thing in the 50's and 60's. How did the economy fare back then. What about now?

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This is not a response to Marshmellow, who seems freshmen in his views.

But on government size, this is a great paper I have been asking people to read. No one will take the 20 minutes to read it. I think this describes A LOT about our government's size, and provides histograms of growth. I would love to discuss this paper, after someone reads it. It is a good, non-biased paper. But I don't want to bias it by giving my conclusions after learning the historical information.

Please read. http://research.stlouisfed.org/publi...rrettRhine.pdf
I'll try to have a look at it tonight.
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And you have evidence to back up these claims?

I get the impression that these sort of statements are just simply the thing to say. They're gut feelings based on the general consensus of the media that you consume.

I've made the following example before about how things are getting "worse". It appears to me, based on the posts and comments posted by the Republicans, you would have screamed bloody murder in the 50's and 60's about the evil communist US government:

Kind of makes you wonder if the government today is really that intrusive. If anything, government has become too lenient with large companies. See above for how they used to handle this sort of thing in the 50's and 60's. How did the economy fare back then. What about now?

From 2009:
No, i think for myself, I'm not just a sheep.

The Govt intrusion in EDUCATION has resulted in textbooks being re-written that actually CHANGES HISTORY. (history doesn't really change, only the way it is taught and what is added or left out of the history books)

The EPA is probably the strongest dept in govt execpt for maybe the IRS. The EPA can fine anyone it deems to have harmed the environment regardless the truth. Stories of huge fines for destroying wet lands that are actually drainage back-ups. etc.

Eminent domain passed by the USSC allows the govt to TAKE private land from individual owners for almost any purpose they see fit. This overrides what the Constitution and 4th and 5th amendments provided citizens.

Why is the govt involved in MARRIAGE?
Why is the govt involved in HEALTHCARE?
Why is the govt involved in WAGES/INCOME?
Why is the govt involved in BIRTH CONTROL?

The govt was not involved in ANY of these in the 50's or 60's.

I guess you think the govt needs to be involved in every aspect of your life. A true NANNY STATE for you.
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No, i think for myself, I'm not just a sheep.

The Govt intrusion in EDUCATION has resulted in textbooks being re-written that actually CHANGES HISTORY. (history doesn't really change, only the way it is taught and what is added or left out of the history books)

The EPA is probably the strongest dept in govt execpt for maybe the IRS. The EPA can fine anyone it deems to have harmed the environment regardless the truth. Stories of huge fines for destroying wet lands that are actually drainage back-ups. etc.

Eminent domain passed by the USSC allows the govt to TAKE private land from individual owners for almost any purpose they see fit. This overrides what the Constitution and 4th and 5th amendments provided citizens.

Why is the govt involved in MARRIAGE?
Why is the govt involved in HEALTHCARE?
Why is the govt involved in WAGES/INCOME?
Why is the govt involved in BIRTH CONTROL?

The govt was not involved in ANY of these in the 50's or 60's.

I guess you think the govt needs to be involved in every aspect of your life. A true NANNY STATE for you.

I really do wish govt would get out of education. That way I could educate impressionable young minds according to the truths of the world.

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Old 10-24-2013, 11:25 PM   #48
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Bloated Federal Government Workforce???

I can't believe I missed this thread!
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http://cnsnews.com/news/article/ali-...sector-workers

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Old 10-28-2013, 05:03 PM   #50
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What's the problem if an employee is using their own leave (sick or annual) and being absent? It's their loss since they only take away from their accrued amount.

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Old 10-28-2013, 06:20 PM   #51
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Re: Bloated Federal Government Workforce???

And another question, is the government granting too much latitude or private business not enough? And from what perspective would one judge this: immediate bottom line or a broader societal perspective, i.e. caring for family members, etc.?

Also, how does this effect such things as overall productivity, job satisfaction, turn over rates, etc.?

Interesting stats to be sure, but what truly do they mean?

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