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Old 11-20-2013, 09:09 PM   #1
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Low Mileage 2004 SMG or ... wait?

Simple as that, there's a very low mileage (< 40k), nice looking (I haven't gone and seen it yet, but it looks very tight in the photos and it's 1 owner) 2004 330ci with Sports/Performance package ... but .. with the SMG transmission.

On a scale of 1 to 10, how afraid should I be???
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Old 11-20-2013, 09:14 PM   #2
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General consensus is that the SMG transmissions found in non-M e46s are less durable and more prone to failure than the SMG transmissions found in E46 M3s. I can't speak to the validity of that claim, but it does make sense to me. Unless you have enough cash stashed away for the maintenance the car's going to need IN ADDITION to enough money to deal with a potential SMG failure, I wouldn't touch the car.
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Old 11-20-2013, 09:15 PM   #3
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while I don't currently own an m3, I did heavily consider buying one. From all the threads and searches I did on the SMG, I came to realize that it's ultimately going to depend on your needs. I think many would agree that the 6MT is more reliable, however if you do a lot of commuting or have a significant other that can't drive a manual then it may make sense to buy an SMG

With all BMW's, you're going to need to set aside money for maintenance. Just a bit more for an m3, and a bit more in case of SMG problems.

I think the SMG gets a bit more hate than it really deserves. You're going to hear more negatives about the SMG online because the majority of threads will come from people experiencing issues.
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Old 11-20-2013, 09:16 PM   #4
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With all BMW's, you're going to need to set aside money for maintenance. Just a bit more for an m3, and a bit more in case of SMG problems.

I think the SMG gets a bit more hate than it really deserves. You're going to hear more negatives about the SMG online because the majority of threads will come from people experiencing issues.
All good points, but the car in question is a rare non-M equipped with SMG.

I also agree with the bold statement above. A lot of people spout off about SMG without ever having driven one.
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All good points, but the car in question is a rare non-M equipped with SMG.

I also agree with the bold statement above. A lot of people spout off about SMG without ever having driven one.
I saw SMG and immediately thought m3 without reading the rest

But yes, SMG in the NON-M I wouldn't touch. SMG in an M I would provided good maintenance history.
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Old 11-20-2013, 09:27 PM   #6
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I'm not sure what an SMG hydraulic pump/accumulator costs for the 330i, but the one for the E46 M3 is $2400 (!).

I've driven SMG-equipped M3s of that era, and the shift feel is a little crude and lurchy. This isn't to say you wouldn't like it, but test-drive it with that in mind. The harder you drive it, the less you notice it; it's in part-throttle around-town situations that it becomes annoying.
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Old 11-21-2013, 10:12 AM   #10
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I understand the primary concern here is the merits of the SMG transmission, but the mention of "sports/performance package" is misleading. I assume that's the seller's wording. I don't think the actual performance package option (ZHP) was available with SMG. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. I certainly have never seen one.

It's not the first time I've seen a seller subtly make the connection to the performance pkg on a non-ZHP car while leaving themselves wiggle room from the way they word it if intentional. (knowingly or unwittingly up for debate)
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Old 11-21-2013, 10:21 AM   #11
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SMG ruined the driving experience for me. Auto-mode is extremely jerky and driving in traffic will be less than pleasant. This is my opinion.

I do believe that the SMG pump failure is blown out of proportion, but it still must be considered. A new flywheel and clutch kit on a regular manual transmission aren't cheap either.
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