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Old 11-28-2013, 07:47 PM   #21
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While I think 14k might be a little too much for a run of the mill e36 m3, you have no idea what you are talking about lol...


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$14k is too much unless this thing is a good color and absolutely mint.
When I say mint I'm talking showroom mint.

A very good condition e36 m3 can be had for $10k or even less. They're not exactly desirable considering it's basically a stroker 328
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Old 11-28-2013, 07:54 PM   #22
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styling goes to the e46. However, reliability the e36 m3 beats the e46 in the following ways:
the e36 m3 beats the e46 in the following ways:

-reinforced rear sub frame (less prone to rear sub frame tearing)
-no 4k power dip
-cheaper to service
-more power for buck (the zhp only beats it due to gippier wheels and shorter gearing)
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Old 11-28-2013, 08:06 PM   #23
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You're prolly too accustomed to an E46 to want to take a step back to an E36.
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Old 11-28-2013, 08:41 PM   #24
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While I think 14k might be a little too much for a run of the mill e36 m3, you have no idea what you are talking about lol...
This, I could go into great detail on how good the m3 is but it would be a wasted effort.

To put things into perspective, my brothers 97 m3 sedan keeps up with my friends e92 335i with a jb4 tune and bolt ons. They are dead even through 3rd.

All we've done is LTW style 24 wheels, redline blinker fluid, Michelin pilot sports, BC racing coil overs, eBay turbonator, racing dynamics sway bars, dinan long tube CAI, flux capacitor, B&B race exhaust, racing muffler bearings, and ASC delete (we removed ASC throttle body and replaced it with intake boot from the z3 ///M)

Next I want to do the manifold swap and sunbelt cams. The stock headers flow well enough and I don't feel like messing with them.
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Old 11-28-2013, 08:51 PM   #25
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Aren't e36 m3s more performance oriented than 330 e46s? Yes e46s are much nice and more luxurious, but if someone wants amore connected road feel wouldn't an e36 be the way to go? I feel like the e46s are too soft compared to the e36.
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Old 11-28-2013, 09:01 PM   #26
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Old 11-28-2013, 09:17 PM   #27
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E36 M3 - 3175lbs, 240hp

E92 335i with JB4
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Its putting more than 240 to the wheels, it pulls on an e46 m3 as well.

And the 335i doesn't have meth injection, which you need to get 400+ hp on those cars.

Lol but who are you to call BS, you don't have a car that can compete.
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Old 11-28-2013, 09:31 PM   #28
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Its putting more than 240 to the wheels, it pulls on an e46 m3 as well.

And the 335i doesn't have meth injection, which you need to get 400+ hp on those cars.

Lol but who are you to call BS, you don't have a car that can compete.
I don't see anything listed in that E36 M3 build which could be considered a significant power gainer.
With "bolt ons" and a JB4, yes a 335i could be well into the 400hp range. You and I both know that.

Aren't you the owner of the 323 sprinkled with magical fairy dust that supposedly eats ZHPs for breakfast?
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Old 11-28-2013, 09:45 PM   #29
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Aren't e36 m3s more performance oriented than 330 e46s? Yes e46s are much nice and more luxurious, but if someone wants amore connected road feel wouldn't an e36 be the way to go? I feel like the e46s are too soft compared to the e36.
Yes, the E36 M3 has a "raw" personality.
And it was the result of a completely different product development, the "M" division, it isn't just a dressed up 3 series.
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I don't see anything listed in that E36 M3 build which could be considered a significant power gainer.
With "bolt ons" and a JB4, yes a 335i could be well into the 400hp range. You and I both know that.

Aren't you the owner of the 323 sprinkled with magical fairy dust that supposedly eats ZHPs for breakfast?
I don't list everything that's done to our cars :shh: why let the secret out? It's half the fun. I will say that 97 m3 dyno'd with more than 240 at the wheels

And yep, I'd race you for pinks but your car isn't worth it

Hangs with zhp's***

It isn't all about horsepower at the crank, car weight and how it's put to the ground are a factor as well as driver skill. You'd be surprised just how much something stupid like tire/wheel choice can hurt a cars performance.
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Old 11-28-2013, 09:48 PM   #31
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Redline that's the most bullshit I've heard in a long time. I'm mentally marking you as one of those people who just makes **** up for no reason.


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Old 11-28-2013, 09:54 PM   #32
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Redline that's the most bullshit I've heard in a long time. I'm mentally marking you as one of those people who just makes **** up for no reason.


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I do nothing but bs and rustle jimmies because this forum has gone to sh!t

I do give serious answers and advice but this isn't one of those moments.

But for the record, I do in fact have a very fast 323i
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Old 11-28-2013, 10:08 PM   #33
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Old 11-28-2013, 10:08 PM   #34
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I don't list everything that's done to our cars :shh: why let the secret out? It's half the fun. I will say that 97 m3 dyno'd with more than 240 at the wheels

And yep, I'd race you for pinks but your car isn't worth it

Hangs with zhp's***

It isn't all about horsepower at the crank, car weight and how it's put to the ground are a factor as well as driver skill. You'd be surprised just how much something stupid like tire/wheel choice can hurt a cars performance.
C'mon Torotto. There's no need to undress and helicopter your wiener for me, really.

And what's your obsession with my poor DD.. that by contrast it doesn't have 200k miles, a played out bumper, and a blacked out roof like yours? At least I can accept mine for what it is


You bring to the table a relatively stock E36 M3 to a fully bolt on JB4 335.
But now.. the E36 has secret sorcery which you cannot disclose.
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Old 11-28-2013, 11:07 PM   #35
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Love the sig quote

I sense the butthurt, it's ok. My poor old DD is still faster

Stop being so serious all the time, wait WTF am I doing out of OT. My bad...forgot you guys take everything literally here
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Old 11-29-2013, 12:52 AM   #36
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Aren't e36 m3s more performance oriented than 330 e46s? Yes e46s are much nice and more luxurious, but if someone wants amore connected road feel wouldn't an e36 be the way to go? I feel like the e46s are too soft compared to the e36.
Honestly, with the ZHP control arms and an LSD, I don't think an e36 m3 (us) has any real advantage.
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Old 11-29-2013, 05:50 AM   #37
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Love the sig quote

I sense the butthurt, it's ok. My poor old DD is still faster

Stop being so serious all the time, wait WTF am I doing out of OT. My bad...forgot you guys take everything literally here
Tell me more about your fast 323, and ill tell you what a vagina feels like.
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Old 11-29-2013, 07:46 AM   #38
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Thanks for your ideas. Especially to mjpgolf who wrote half a book chapter.

To answer a question or two, my car started using oil very early at about 20K miles where I was putting in about a quart between oil changes (7500 miles - twice the prescribed rate). Of course, BMW considered this reasonable. Last year I was up to 1 quart every 1300 miles. Now about 1 for every 600. While I have loved this car, it is a bit higher maintanence than other e46s. It started with replacing the clutch under warrantee, man was BMW a pain on that. I had to suffer from about 3000 miles on the ODO to 25K miles. I've replaced so many things Oil Sep and all hoses, DISA, gas tank vents, leaking gaskets, etc. I can't remember everything. Now this ultimate insult.

It's not that I can't afford as much as I won't afford. I may buy this M3 and keep both for 6 months and sell the one I don't want. I'll keep you posted.

Thanks all.
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Old 11-29-2013, 08:29 AM   #39
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How can you have so much maintenance on a car like that...

If you have a automatic gearbox Z5HP19, sell it to me for cheap... :d
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