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Old 01-05-2014, 02:46 AM   #1
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IWI Tavor on the way.....hopefully in next week.

I have the Manticore front end for it, this is the 16" barrel version in black. Will be running optics on it. Range report later on. Picture posted is the 18" barrel.



I will be running a FACOG and TRS 25 on it for testing. 223 and 556. Several mags. BUS will be MAGPUL. Looking at shooting it with the second trigger group spring installed first before I remove it and shoot it without it for the heavy trigger reports.

tailo, any personal experience with the spring out in the trigger group on this rifle?
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The Manticore front end makes it look a lot better. I'm having a hard time ignoring this rifle. Lots of good press about it.
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Old 01-05-2014, 09:15 PM   #3
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tailo, any personal experience with the spring out in the trigger group on this rifle?
Had a tavor at the shop a few months back, it slaps your face a bit when firing, its heavy in the rear, and the bolt release is in a odd location.. I personally prefer the AUG or even a M4 over the Tavor but I really aint a big bull pup fan.

That said, I have a good friend with a 18 inch version that loves it, silly little (hes actually pretty big) jewish guy carries that thing around everywhere. We actually had a conversation about removing the secondary spring...according to him, and I do trust his advice on this... it does reduce the trigger pull but they added that spring for reliability. If your rifle gets dirty (it probably never will) the trigger will fail to reset.

Probably wont ever crawl through a muddy ditch but treat every rifle like your going to have to fight to get home with it.

All in all it's a pretty good rifle, just not my cup of tea.
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Had a tavor at the shop a few months back, it slaps your face a bit when firing, its heavy in the rear, and the bolt release is in a odd location.. I personally prefer the AUG or even a M4 over the Tavor but I really aint a big bull pup fan.

That said, I have a good friend with a 18 inch version that loves it, silly little (hes actually pretty big) jewish guy carries that thing around everywhere. We actually had a conversation about removing the secondary spring...according to him, and I do trust his advice on this... it does reduce the trigger pull but they added that spring for reliability. If your rifle gets dirty (it probably never will) the trigger will fail to reset.

Probably wont ever crawl through a muddy ditch but treat every rifle like your going to have to fight to get home with it.

All in all it's a pretty good rifle, just not my cup of tea.
Makes sense, last BP rifle was a kit I did from a Mini 14. Trigger was horrible with the BP kit. I am hoping this one is much better as it was designed to be a BP config. Will try it first with the spring in it. I know it is to keep grit and sand out and still work in those conditions. I do have my M&P Sport with no cover as I am no longer in the military and in sand box conditions.

These guns are just for range use in Colorado and personal defense if needed. Personally, I just keep a Glock 27 on the night stand for normal carry and home defense.
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The Manticore front end makes it look a lot better. I'm having a hard time ignoring this rifle. Lots of good press about it.
I have the Manticore kit at the house right now....well made but the price for what is it...expensive. I will be adding a forward grip to make up for the light weight of the BP design.

Will let you guys know how it works out.

.223 ammo in this gun....does it run well with just cheap indoor range ammo? Something non steel core like Wolf or Tula has.

Some reports say it is not running well with 223, needs 556. Yes, I know the difference between them but that is what I have been told. Guess I might find that out for myself. I have some PMC 223 to try and American 556.
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There is such a wide variance in performance within the .223Rem and 5.56 realm that it's not a simple answer. There are .223 loads that are hotter and more consistent than some 5.56 loads. Ammunition like PMC X-Tac 5.56 and Winchester Q3131A 5.56 are both rather inconsistent in performance and you could have a 200-400fps variance in performance between lots. In contrast, you can get Black Hills .223 that is hotter and much more consistent than those loads.

If I were you, I'd just buy a crapload of diffent types of ammo from Tula/Wolf steel case to Remington UMC and PMC Bronze to XM193 and Black Hills. Run the gamut and see what all cycles.
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Old 01-09-2014, 08:52 PM   #7
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Rifle is in, so far I love it. Have various rounds of 223/556 brands to test. I added the manticore front grip. The bipod is only on to set the red dot to 25 yards and then will be removed. Sight is just a cheap but reliable TRS 25. Will report back Saturday after range time.

I love how easy this breaks down. Been playing with Gen 3 Magpul mags and they drop free perfect, Forward rail grip will stay.
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I do kinda like those things, i just can't get around paying so much for it. I mean, you can get a factory DD MK18 for that price, including the stamp. Some Noveske SBRs too. I think I'd rather go that route, but I do really like these bullpups in many ways.

Gun Gallery posted a pic of a customer's tavor. He wanted to mount an SPR/M4 suppressor to it and it fit.

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Carcus, you mind if I ask how much the Tavor set you back?

Gorgeous gun! I've had the hankering for one ever since I learned about them.
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$1705 shipped, Manticore front was around $225. Forward grip works great with the light pressure switch. You need to use a medium sized CREE light with the Manticore or you will have barrel issues. I really like this gun. For what it is though, pretty heavy gun. I am also fine with the built in BUS, they are not that bad and co-witness with the TRS-25.

Tomorrow is range day. Leaving the front bipod on just to sight the rifle in, then goes back on another gun. Lubed up with MilPro and ready to go. Several different brands of ammo and mix of 223/556
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I do kinda like those things, i just can't get around paying so much for it. I mean, you can get a factory DD MK18 for that price, including the stamp. Some Noveske SBRs too. I think I'd rather go that route, but I do really like these bullpups in many ways.

Gun Gallery posted a pic of a customer's tavor. He wanted to mount an SPR/M4 suppressor to it and it fit.

Thank you so much for that picture!!!! Really appreciate that.
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Also, I own quite a bit of guns, AR, AK rifles and different calibers. I am mainly a handgun guy but just get what I like. After 20 years of the military with the AR.....I still like it and the AR-10. This time I wanted a bullpup designed to be one. Last one I had was a Mini 14 kit that was a POS.

As with guns, cars, watches.....I kinda like all of them. The battle field testing of this rifle by IDF speaks for itself. It is designed for clearing a house or building. I think sighted in at 25 yards with the red dot.....I am good to go. Love it or hate it, I see it as great technology gun wise.

Than again, I own a Chiappa White Rhino 357 revolver also. Personally I hate wheel guns but this one changed my mind.
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What an awesome weapon. So much fun to shoot. Trigger is a little heavy but doubt I remove the trigger spring. Out of 200 rounds, mixed brands of 223 and 556, all fired perfect with no malfunctions. Getting used to reloading takes a little while but other than that, very fun and reliable weapon. Much heavier than my AR-15. Red dot scope took under a minute to sight in at 25 yards. Once sighted in, removed the bipod and just had so much fun. I have nothing negative to say besides the weight....but that was expected. I guarantee if you shoot one....you will end up buying one. Shooters at the range had no idea what it was and lots of questions. I am never getting rid of this sucker, it is a keeper.
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Glad you had a great time with it. It's funny you mention the trigger because Geissele just announced a new SSA style trigger for the Tavor. It's on facebook

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Glad you had a great time with it. It's funny you mention the trigger because Geissele just announced a new SSA style trigger for the Tavor. It's on facebook

https://www.facebook.com/geisseleautomatics
I MUST HAVE IT!!! LOL, wonder how much that is going to run? Thanks for the heads up on that. Still with the stock trigger.....I am happy as heck for now. This is one hell of a bad arse gun.
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