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Old 01-16-2014, 02:00 PM   #21
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What do you think are Decent but not to expensive pads?

I don't go crazy, just the occasional spirited driving.
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Old 01-16-2014, 02:01 PM   #22
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its due to pad compound.
And so the coating on the Meyles are for preventing rust?
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Old 01-16-2014, 02:03 PM   #23
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And so the coating on the Meyles are for preventing rust?
yep mainly to look nice. the rust that would accumulate on a rotor that sees regular use is nothing to worry about
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Old 01-16-2014, 02:16 PM   #24
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Great thread. Im about to do all 4 rotors and pads on my 323 when the income tax $ comes rolling in. I too have been thinking about going Akebono (because the dust is killing me) but have been worried about the "initial bite." I drive 100 miles a day for work, all highway and very little spirited driving because gas is always an issue. The "initial bite" issue with these pads....is it just when they are cold or is it the initial bite every time you hit the pedal?
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Old 01-16-2014, 02:18 PM   #25
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Great thread. Im about to do all 4 rotors and pads on my 323 when the income tax $ comes rolling in. I too have been thinking about going Akebono (because the dust is killing me) but have been worried about the "initial bite." I drive 100 miles a day for work, all highway and very little spirited driving because gas is always an issue. The "initial bite" issue with these pads....is it just when they are cold or is it the initial bite every time you hit the pedal?
usually only when cold and in general as well.

i'd recommend oe/oem pads for optimum stopping power when you need it. they dust but so what. braking performance is important.
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Ughhh I just hate all of the brake dust lol

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It's really give and take.

If you want less brake dust -> ceramic pads -> such as Akebono -> down side is less initial bite (doesn't mean it sucks).
If you want greater initial bite feel -> metalic or semi-metalic pads -> OE or OEM such as Jurid, Pagid, Textar -> down side is more brake dust.
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Ok, Im a performance oriented person, as is most everyone here. So then dust it must be. Has anyone ever run those wheels discs? I know BMW says its a no-no but if you checked the torque on your wheels periodically I wouldnt see a problem with it. I have the 323 sport package "chunky spoke" wheels. I cant even see my rotors or calipers anyway so why not use a disc to stop the dust?
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Ughhh I just hate all of the brake dust lol

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The caliper slide pins on these cars don't supposed to be lubed anyway.
Where have you heard this?
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I brought this on board in a mass way a few years ago. Nobody believed me. Everyone yelled at me. I posted the BMW TIS on it. Now everyone knows.

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Really? I'd like to read this cause what I've been taught in brake training is that slide pins that aren't lubed can cause a sliding caliper like ours to eventually stick...not allowing it to be pulled so that the outside pad will help squeeze the disc. I'm not referring to lubing any part of the thread on the pin...those need to be clean and dry
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Really? I'd like to read this cause what I've been taught in brake training is that slide pins that aren't lubed can cause a sliding caliper like ours to eventually stick...not allowing it to be pulled so that the outside pad will help squeeze the disc. I'm not referring to lubing any part of the thread on the pin...those need to be clean and dry
This isn't your dad's bronco. These cars use intelligent practices. Can't apply everything from your training to modern intelligent cars. No lube anywhere on E46 slide pins ever. GL!
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This isn't your dad's bronco. These cars use intelligent practices. Can't apply everything from your training to modern intelligent cars. No lube anywhere on E46 slide pins ever. GL!
sorry my dad had a 77 530i. I miss that car.

So is this BMW wide or e46 specific?

There is a special grease made for brake parts in contact with rubber. I'm still searching for that TIS
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what do you believe is causing this ticking sound? the rotors or pads?
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I lubed the slide pins when I replaced the brake linings last year. With copper antisieze no less. Not even a proper lube but a viscous paste with powdered copper in it. Oops.

Of course I would not have if I had known not to. If I had only known the e46 calipers were smart unlike myself I would not have done such a stupid thing. Or maybe I still would have.

I grew up restoring old Jags & Porsches with me Paw, and that's the way we did it. Just two backwards-ass country fvcks making old cars new again but I guess we were doin it wrong all along. Whoops

For the record my e46's brakes work great despite this huge major nuclear screwup. Pads are wearing evenly anyway! I didn't change the rotors over with the new pads either! I reused the existing rotors OMG I am so in the wrong all the time I just don't know how I survive. I spose Jebus lubs meh.

BMW also states to downshift when coming to a stop in the owner's manual, to change the engine oil after 15k miles, and to never ever change the ATF(or gearbox oil) out.

Not disputing the TIS, and next time I won't lube the pins. But these calipers are no more intelligent than those found on a '90s Taurus. Fo realz
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It's likely not to do with the calipers but with the particular rubber bushings BMW uses. If you use brass or other similar metal bushings, you'll want to lube them.

As far as the TIS, you'll have a very hard time finding it. it was removed before your time on the forum here.

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As far as the TIS, you'll have a very hard time finding it. it was removed before your time on the forum here.
Do you still have your copy?

Yeah I read to not lube the slide pins only after I had replaced the pads and I was like

A petrochemical grease might react negatively with the rubbers, but the silicone Ate grease shouldn't (unless the rubbers are made of silicone, which they don't appear to be). Still, I won't dispute it and next time they go on dry, simple as that. Sometimes I wish the reasoning was explained a little more thoroughly though.
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I realize it's more money, but this is where I got the brakes for my e36. Mine came with Brembo rotors and PBR ceramic pads, where these have Zimmerman rotors. http://www.bimmerzone.com/BMW_Parts_...RAKE-FULL.html. FCP has a kit with Brembo's for a little more. http://www.fcpeuro.com/products/bmw-...323i-e36e46bk4
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Reviving this thread for a quick question!!! Gonna get the set up by friday!!

Was wondering, I'm going to paint my calipers silver or black right..

Do i need to sand them down or anything prior to painting? If so how would i go about it? Buy some sandpaper, use my hands and go from there?



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