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Old 02-07-2014, 11:32 AM   #101
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Lol at this thread. Far more likely? Disgruntled fired lineman got drunk and he or he and a couple buddies decided to shoot up some of his former employers equipment...

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Old 02-07-2014, 11:43 AM   #102
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Just because it doesn't make sense to you, doesn't mean it makes no sense.

Believe what you wish.
It makes no sense to anyone that has opened a book regarding terrorism. Believe in your irrational supermen hypothesis.
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Old 02-07-2014, 11:47 AM   #103
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Some operator at a fusion center somewhere must be going apeshit because if this thread.


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Old 02-07-2014, 11:55 AM   #104
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It makes no sense to anyone that has opened a book regarding terrorism. Believe in your irrational supermen hypothesis.
Ahh, we see things differently, therefore you know how much I have or haven't read. Got it.

As opposed to terrorists that are rational by your standards?

If you think it takes a superman to execute some of this stuff, you've got your blinders on too tight.

Limited thinked has it's time and place. Tempering conventional thoughts has it's uses as well.
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Old 02-07-2014, 12:14 PM   #105
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Ahh, we see things differently, therefore you know how much I have or haven't read. Got it.

As opposed to terrorists that are rational by your standards?

If you think it takes a superman to execute some of this stuff, you've got your blinders on too tight.

Limited thinked has it's time and place. Tempering conventional thoughts has it's uses as well.
First statment: Yes.
First question: Your question demonstrates you lack of knowledge on the subject. Suicide terrorism attacks are typically well timed, have specific goals, and demonstrates a target selection that is coinsides with a strategic logic not irrational or fanatical behavior. Rationality of the irrational. Even the response is calculated into the use of suicide terrorism, even if the concessions expected can be unrealistic.

As far as your other stuff. It will take more than google and alittle ambition to cripple the US.
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Old 02-07-2014, 12:18 PM   #106
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First statment: Yes.
First question: Your question demonstrates you lack of knowledge on the subject. Suicide terrorism attacks are typically well timed, have specific goals, and demonstrates a target selection that is coinsides with a strategic logic not irrational or fanatical behavior. Rationality of the irrational. Even the response is calculated into the use of suicide terrorism, even if the concessions expected can be unrealistic.

As far as your other stuff. It will take more than google and alittle ambition to cripple the US.
What would it take?
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What would it take?
For what?

There is no cookie cutter approach. There are many variables that must be considered.
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Old 02-07-2014, 12:23 PM   #108
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one more socialist policy and it's the end of the US as we know it.


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Old 02-07-2014, 12:29 PM   #109
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First statment: Yes.
First question: Your question demonstrates you lack of knowledge on the subject. Suicide terrorism attacks are typically well timed, have specific goals, and demonstrates a target selection that is coinsides with a strategic logic not irrational or fanatical behavior. Rationality of the irrational. Even the response is calculated into the use of suicide terrorism, even if the concessions expected can be unrealistic.

As far as your other stuff. It will take more than google and alittle ambition to cripple the US.
All true. The bold, however, is only true because it would take "more", though not "much more" really. 5-10 people with industry/google knowledge, and adequate planning, could cripple our way of life in a matter of days/weeks. The infrastructure of the United States is not nearly as "safe" or protected as most people think (including some of those in this thread) and with some knowledge and adequate planning could be crippled in numerous ways without needing to resort to suicide attacks.

Think rolling blackouts where power would still be available, no power in many other areas, gasoline shortages or complete lack of supply, grocery store shelves empty for days, communication systems overloaded and/or non-functional depending on the area, etc.
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http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...errorism-fears

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"My personal view is that this was a dress rehearsal" for future attacks, added Mark Johnson, the former PG&E executive, according to Foreign Policy.
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I love America! I promise I will buy a shiny new Corvette, don't arrest me
Me too.

I will buy 3 Corvettes ! One red, one white and one blue.

And I swear I will report every person I see putting ketchup on a hot dog to Homeland Security if u r nice to me.
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Me too.

I will buy 3 Corvettes ! One red, one white and one blue.

And I swear I will report every person I see putting ketchup on a hot dog to Homeland Security if u r nice to me.
Too late. You're on every watch list imaginable right now. Including al Qaida recruiters for your ideas.


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Federal Analysis Says Sabotage of Nine Key Substations Is Sufficient for Broad Outage
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The U.S. could suffer a coast-to-coast blackout if saboteurs knocked out just nine of the country's 55,000 electric-transmission substations on a scorching summer day, according to a previously unreported federal analysis.

The study by the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission concluded that coordinated attacks in each of the nation's three separate electric systems could cause the entire power network to collapse, people familiar with the research said.

A small number of the country's substations play an outsize role in keeping power flowing across large regions. The FERC analysis indicates that knocking out nine of those key substations could plunge the country into darkness for weeks, if not months.

"This would be an event of unprecedented proportions," said Ross Baldick, a professor of electrical engineering at the University of Texas at Austin.

No federal rules require utilities to protect vital substations except those at nuclear power plants. Regulators recently said they would consider imposing security standards.

FERC last year used software to model the electric system's performance under the stress of losing important substations. The substations use large power transformers to boost the voltage of electricity so it can move long distances and then to reduce the voltage to a usable level as the electricity nears homes and businesses.

The agency's so-called power-flow analysis found that different sets of nine big substations produced similar results. The Wall Street Journal isn't publishing the list of 30 critical substations studied by FERC. The commission declined to discuss the analysis or to release its contents.

Some federal officials said the conclusions might overstate the grid's vulnerability.

Electric systems are designed to be resilient and it would be difficult for attackers to disable many locations, said David Ortiz, an Energy Department deputy assistant secretary who was briefed on the FERC study. The agency's findings nevertheless had value "as a way of starting a conversation on physical security," he said.

The study's results have been known for months by people at federal agencies, Congress and the White House, who were briefed by then-FERC Chairman Jon Wellinghoff and others at the commission. As reported by the Journal last month, Mr. Wellinghoff was concerned about a shooting attack on a California substation last April, which he said could be a dress rehearsal for additional assaults.

"There are probably less than 100 critical high voltage substations on our grid in this country that need to be protected from a physical attack," he said by email this week. "It is neither a monumental task, nor is it an inordinate sum of money that would be required to do so." Mr. Wellinghoff left FERC in November and is a partner at law firm Stoel Rives LLP in San Francisco.

FERC has given the industry until early June to propose new standards for the security of critical facilities, such as substations.

Executives at several big utilities declined to discuss the risks to substations but said they are increasing spending on security. Virginia-based Dominion Resources Inc., for example, said it planned to spend $300 million to $500 million within seven years to harden its facilities.

A memo prepared at FERC in late June for Mr. Wellinghoff before he briefed senior officials made several urgent points. "Destroy nine interconnection substations and a transformer manufacturer and the entire United States grid would be down for at least 18 months, probably longer," said the memo, which was reviewed by the Journal. That lengthy outage is possible for several reasons, including that only a handful of U.S. factories build transformers.

The California attack "demonstrates that it does not require sophistication to do significant damage to the U.S. grid," according to the memo, which was written by Leonard Tao, FERC's director of external affairs. Mr. Tao said his function was to help Mr. Wellinghoff simplify his report on the analysis.

The memo reflected a belief by some people at the agency that an attack-related blackout could be extraordinarily long, in part because big transformers and other equipment are hard to replace. Also, each of the three regional electric systems—the West, the East and Texas—have limited interconnections, making it hard for them to help each other in an emergency.

Some experts said other simulations that are widely used in the electricity industry produced similar results as the FERC analysis.

"This study used a relatively simplified model, but other models come to the same conclusion," said A.P. "Sakis" Meliopoulos, professor of electrical and computer engineering at the Georgia Institute of Technology in Atlanta. He estimated it would take "a slightly larger number" of substation attacks to cause a U.S.-wide blackout.

In its modeling, FERC studied what would happen if various combinations of substations were crippled in the three electrical systems that serve the contiguous U.S. The agency concluded the systems could go dark if as few as nine locations were knocked out: four in the East, three the West and two in Texas, people with knowledge of the analysis said.

The actual number of locations that would have to be knocked out to spawn a massive blackout would vary depending on available generation resources, energy demand, which is highest on hot days, and other factors, experts said. Because it is difficult to build new transmission routes, existing big substations are becoming more crucial to handling electricity.

In last April's attack at PG&E Corp.'s Metcalf substation, gunmen shot 17 large transformers over 19 minutes before fleeing in advance of police. The state grid operator was able to avoid any blackouts.

The Metcalf substation sits near a freeway outside San Jose, Calif. Some experts worry that substations farther from cities could face longer attacks because of their distance from police. Many sites aren't staffed and are protected by little more than chain-link fences and cameras.

While the prospect of a nationwide blackout because of sabotage might seem remote, small equipment failures have led to widespread power outages. In September 2011, for example, a failed transmission line in Arizona set off a chain reaction that created an outage affecting millions of people in the state and Southern California.

Sabotage could wreak worse havoc, experts said.

"The power grid, built over many decades in a benign environment, now faces a range of threats it was never designed to survive," said Paul Stockton, a former assistant secretary of defense and president of risk-assessment firm Cloud Peak Analytics. "That's got to be the focus going forward."
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Old 03-12-2014, 08:53 PM   #114
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I smell another 30 billion dollar a year agency being created

Homeland electric guard security
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The Power Rangers

The govt might save a little money since they won't have to design new uniforms for the new agency.

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Leave it to the wall street journal to publish a way to successfully bring the US to its knees.

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