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Old 01-28-2014, 02:15 PM   #501
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If someone is checking for exits, he might as well be checking for escape routes after he does something unthinkable. You guys are advocating awareness and vigilance, but when some of us say that certain behaviors would arouse suspicion, all of a sudden we're supposed to not look at him because he's just doing something normal. See something, say something. If I see someone checking exits and escape routes, I'll say something.
So you advocate walking around with your head up your ass? With all the real problem with guns, ie: gang violence, you focus your arguments on shit that's so dumb it's impossible to take you seriously.
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If someone is checking for exits, he might as well be checking for escape routes after he does something unthinkable. You guys are advocating awareness and vigilance, but when some of us say that certain behaviors would arouse suspicion, all of a sudden we're supposed to not look at him because he's just doing something normal. See something, say something. If I see someone checking exits and escape routes, I'll say something.
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You seem paranoid about the actions of others. I thought no one was out to get you or do any harm and that carrying is unnecessary....? Look for the good in people. Assume the best.
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So you advocate walking around with your head up your ass? With all the real problem with guns, ie: gang violence, you focus your arguments on shit that's so dumb it's impossible to take you seriously.
Agreed, you wouldn't know if someone was walking around checking exits. God forbid someone should take a look for the lit up exit signs while there is no danger. The club scenario really points as to why thinking this way could save your life, and the life of others.
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Old 01-28-2014, 10:40 PM   #503
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If someone is checking for exits, he might as well be checking for escape routes after he does something unthinkable. You guys are advocating awareness and vigilance, but when some of us say that certain behaviors would arouse suspicion, all of a sudden we're supposed to not look at him because he's just doing something normal. See something, say something. If I see someone checking exits and escape routes, I'll say something.


So as long as he's not interested in how to exit the building in case of a fire, you're OK with him.
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theres a difference between checking the exits and understanding your surroundings, and flat out casing the joint. It's the latter of the two that arouses my suspicion. I don't necessarily turn into Columbo but I do find myself to suddenly become chatty.
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When I look for exits, etc. it's really just a glance around the room. I don't physically walk around the room typically and check doors to see if they're open, etc. I normally think of a plan of escape and stick it in the back of my brain.

For instance, I might see 3 exits in addition to the one I came through. I'd normally say "ok, if x happens, I'll head for that exit. I'll get there by following x route and going x direction. And I'll typically have a backup plan.

That whole process takes less than a minute when I enter that sort of situation, maybe only a few seconds. I don't "case the joint."
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theres a difference between checking the exits and understanding your surroundings, and flat out casing the joint. It's the latter of the two that arouses my suspicion. I don't necessarily turn into Columbo but I do find myself to suddenly become chatty.
How do you tell one from the other?
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theres a difference between checking the exits and understanding your surroundings, and flat out casing the joint. It's the latter of the two that arouses my suspicion. I don't necessarily turn into Columbo but I do find myself to suddenly become chatty.
I'm glad you're a psychic.
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Thanks to those who contribute to the conversation. The ones whose only purpose is to derail it, thanks to you, too. You may not make it informative, but you do make it interesting.
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david or who ever said they count the rows back they are on an air plane, pace hotel hallways, or plan exits... that's the stuff i would notice someone do and would be a little uneasy, to the point where i would definitely inquire as to why you were acting as such. would you shot me as i approached or would you "shout from that second story window?"
I do it too sometimes. I check other people out too. Not that I'm paranoid, but I like to be aware of my surroundings and the people occupying a room with me. I've always done it. Better to be safe than sorry if a situation (fire, emergency, gas leak, etc.) arises. I've also been one to constantly over analyze things at times.

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If someone is checking for exits, he might as well be checking for escape routes after he does something unthinkable. You guys are advocating awareness and vigilance, but when some of us say that certain behaviors would arouse suspicion, all of a sudden we're supposed to not look at him because he's just doing something normal. See something, say something. If I see someone checking exits and escape routes, I'll say something.


I'd tell you to go mind your business, pal. But I don't physically walk up to exits and routes. I stand/sit in a room (while conversing) and look around for these things.
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It's no different than constantly scanning around while driving, always having at least 3 possible maneuvers to avoid an accident at anytime, staring at the front tires of cars 90 degrees to you so you know if they start moving into your path, etc.

Situational awareness... You do it enough and its zero effort or burden. Really almost subconscious like breathing
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Since everyone was so concerned about the details and not wanting to make any calls before more information is in, I'll give you guys an update:
DADE CITY — In the dark of the theater, Alan Hamilton saw the kernels fly. Then, the muzzle flash and a loud bang.

"I'll teach you to throw popcorn at me," an eyewitness recalled the shooter, retired Tampa police Capt. Curtis Reeves, saying.

Hamilton, an off-duty Sumter County sheriff's deputy who was sitting on the same row as Reeves, moved in.

"I head in that direction and I found Mr. Reeves sitting in his chair," Hamilton said during Reeves' bail hearing Wednesday. "I reached down and there was a weapon on his left knee." The weapon, a .380-caliber semiautomatic pistol, Hamilton said, was still warm.

It was Jan. 13, and Hamilton cleared the gun and told Reeves, 71, to stay put. Reeves, he said, pushed his glasses back on his head and said, "I can't believe what I've done."

The man he shot, Chad Oulson, 43, said, "I can't believe this." He lay dying in the aisle of the theater, according to testimony. The movie, Lone Survivor, never started. A nurse named Derek Friedhoff took off his shirt and pressed it against Oulson's entry wound. He started chest compressions and asked for a light to shine in Oulson's pupils. Oulson didn't respond.

In the following moments, Hamilton said, Reeves' wife, Vivian, asked her husband why he had to fire, saying "that was no cause to shoot anyone."

Reeves leaned back and stuck his finger at his wife and said "you shut your f------ mouth and don't say another word," Hamilton testified.

Much of the testimony centered on the argument between Oulson and Reeves. Hamilton said Oulson turned around and cursed at Reeves and said, "I'm trying to text my f------ daughter if you don't mind."

There was only a 3- to 5-second pause between the popcorn and the gunfire, Hamilton said.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/...ooting/2164252
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Maybe the popcorn was really hot

I'm not defending the old guy since he was clearly looking for a reason. There will always be lunatics. Prepare accordingly.
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i wonder what a gay spider would do in this situation.
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It's no different than constantly scanning around while driving, always having at least 3 possible maneuvers to avoid an accident at anytime, staring at the front tires of cars 90 degrees to you so you know if they start moving into your path, etc.

Situational awareness... You do it enough and its zero effort or burden. Really almost subconscious like breathing
This. Me and JJ agree. Zomg.

I have always made notes of any place I am in regarding alternative means of exiting the building. Takes very little effort and doesn't necessary mean you are running scenarios through your head. Just noting the layout.
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This is about 5 miles from where I live, been there many times.

Shooting the guy was wrong, but I put this in the "don't be a dick face" file.
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^^ there is no but. That old fvck should get the death penalty.
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^^ there is no but. That old fvck should get the death penalty.
+1. I'm trying to understand the point of this thread. Is there anyone here who thinks the shooter was justified in any way? His actions seem indefensible to me.
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+1. I'm trying to understand the point of this thread. Is there anyone here who thinks the shooter was justified in any way? His actions seem indefensible to me.
+1. Solely based on "facts" from the story
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Dad was obviously a jerk and didn't give a damn about others, but the shooting is indefensible. Don't kid yourself, the guy won't get the death penalty. 2nd degree murder at best, remaining life in prison. Dude is pretty old already. Even if they sentenced him to ride the lightning, he'd die waiting for sentence to be carried out.
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He should still get the death penalty. He just made a family go on without a dad, husband, bread winner, etc. Fvcking guy.
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