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Old 11-22-2013, 01:37 AM   #21
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Best track car e36 m3 vs e46 m3

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I think I'd have to choose an early (01-03) E46 M3 as my ideal track car starting point. I'd like to find one with no sunroof and as few options as possible; no xenons, manual cloth seats, etc. I think the S54 has a lot of potential and the M3 I listed is a great blank canvas starting point. I would even consider an SMG equipped car. Money wouldn't be an option and high performance shifting is what SMG was designed for. I would of course keep it all motor. I think the S54 is best left NA.
Yeah I'd ultimately have to agree with you. With an SMG Trans and the max weight reduction possible I'd have to take the e46 m3 for a track monster.

OP if you are looking for a track car on somewhat of a budget I'd recommend an e36 328is or an e46 330i.


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Old 11-22-2013, 12:05 PM   #22
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E36 is much easier to work on, the engine bay is a lot less cramped. And the jack points are on the side of the car instead of underneath, you can jack the car up when it's literally laying on the ground. If you race, you're gonna crash, don't fool yourself. You'll like the ability to jack the car up yourself without needing a fork-lift.

Suspension wise, they're identical. Nothing to see here. And a 96+ M3 is not superior to a 95. They're the same car. And if you wanted a car that you could still drive to the track legally, you DEFINITELY want a 95.

If this is strictly a race car, I wouldn't waste the money on an M3 anyways - get a blown up 325 for $1,000 and drop whatever motor in it you like.

And anyone saying E30 M3 has either just had mommy buy one for them or they really don't own one - they just read about it in a magazine. No need to spend an extra $20,000 just so you can have fender flares that you're gonna dent in anyways. E30 M3 is for people trying their hardest to show off. The suspension on the E30 is garbage.

lol wut. suspension wise they are not identical. i can name at least 6 revisions to the front suspension alone. further 95 and 96+ are not the same car. you need to quit typing. you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about
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Old 11-22-2013, 12:12 PM   #23
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Money wouldn't be an option and high performance shifting is what SMG was designed for. I would of course keep it all motor. I think the S54 is best left NA.
The engineers behind the CSL would tend to agree. Came across an old copy of Roundel the other day with a feature on it...I want.
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Old 11-22-2013, 09:25 PM   #24
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I just remembered, the 95 M3 came with LSD (3.15), as opposed to 3.23 non-LSD in the 96 and later M3s.
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Old 11-24-2013, 09:38 AM   #25
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The E46 blows the E36 out of the water, just like the E9X does the E46. Each generation is a better base platform. Obviously, money can make any car faster than another.

Now if your talking budget wise, the E36 is the cheaper solution.
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Old 12-23-2013, 10:20 PM   #26
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I have both. The e46m3 is faster. The e36m3 is easier to work on and consumables are cheaper. It all depends on your budget.
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Old 12-27-2013, 09:59 AM   #27
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lol wut. suspension wise they are not identical. i can name at least 6 revisions to the front suspension alone. further 95 and 96+ are not the same car. you need to quit typing. you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about
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And reading alot of the other items he's written, i have found myself face-palming Quite a bit... Very opinionated which is good, but his opinion is often incorrect and newbies seem to take it as gospel and move on.

When i was new to the game - I wanted a 95 M3 because of the OBD-1 and the LSD, but the E46 M3 is superior to the E36 as I have track time on the ultimate test track in both. Lived in Germany for many years and hit up the Green hell, the ability of the E46 to generate speed in the straights and out of corners as well as holding a line is far better in the E46 hands down. I was able to drop around 54 seconds consistently between the two cars both were stock and both were wearing upgraded rubber - and matched sizes front and rear E46 was on heavier 18's and E36 was on lightweight M3 17's... Just my experience, E36 is superior in two areas IMO - Cost of getting into, and cost of ownership as parts are cheaper.... With that being said, if I found a true Lightweight E36 M3, I would be all over it;-) But I would take any year of M3
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Old 12-27-2013, 11:57 PM   #28
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You can make an E36 lighter but the E46 power more than makes up for it. The only digression of the E46 is the gearbox. The Getrag 420 is garbage. My 330 6sp was a better gearbox.
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Since when do the 96+ not have an LSD?
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As far as taking something to the track and just beating on it I would choose the e36. If you want to pull double duty and drive something everyday as well then I would go e46. E36 parts are so cheap. My race car started life as a $1000 beater. I spent money on quality parts and saved money by doing the work myself. I now have a car that, knock on wood, has performed flawlessly for the past 2 seasons only requiring regular maintenance. Rebuilding the diff before next season but otherwise it just goes and goes. It will outrun an e46 m3 for a fraction of the running costs but if I had to drive home in my track car I would take the e46.
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Old 02-12-2014, 01:39 PM   #31
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I just remembered, the 95 M3 came with LSD (3.15), as opposed to 3.23 non-LSD in the 96 and later M3s.
where did you learn this weird info? at the VW meet?

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Since when do the 96+ not have an LSD?
some urban legand rumor spread by owners envious of size of displacement .....
Every single car with a WBS vin number comes out of the bmw factory with a LSD.

after 1996 every single car without a WBS vin number (like your e46 non-m and my e46 non-m) come out of the factory with NO lsd; its no longer an option in the e39 and e46 chassis for non-m cars.

LSD is never an option in M cars from e28M-e60M; it just comes in the car.


1995 e36 M3 had a 240hp s50b20 3.0L engine and zf sg310 5 speed gearbox with a 3.15 final drive + LSD
This LSD is famous for having no loctite installed from the factory and vibrates loose causing total failures:

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1996-1999 e36 m3 had a 240hp s52b32 3.2L engine and zf sg320 5 speed gearbox with a 3.23 final drive + LSD

the 3.23 LSD units in the e36 M3 1996-99 had no such problem.

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between E36M3 and E46M3 as a track car its just down to budget and what you want out of it; if you are racing then the class rules may favor either one (depending on how deep your wallet is)

E46M3 is better to drive around town; so if it will be street driven the 46( chassis / interior / sound system / AC) is much better than the 36 chassis items.

E36M is lighter, more raw; very mechanical feeling. Narrow body may or may not suit your tracks-
An e36M with a S54b32 engine installed its lethal - expensive to play this game though.


As far as E36 chassis model year choice of body goes; the E36M obd2 cars (1996-1999) are now (2014) easier to tune than the obd1 cars; TRM and other companies can remote tune 500rwhp turbocharged monsters to be daily drivable and reliable in 100deg tropical weather. OBD1 car will have no such option; obviously you have to pay to play.

OBD1 used to be the popular choice because it was cheaply chip tuned; nowadays this is boring. I race wheel to wheel a chip tuned obd1 setup 24v swapped e30- track drive a e36M- DD a e46.

The e36 obd2 computer is simply better, the E46 computer is even better than the e36 obd2.

96-99 M3 is by far the choice nowadays; 325 and lesser models are popular with drifters who are smashing their chassis every season.
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