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Old 02-14-2014, 12:50 PM   #1
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Any Syria watchers? The war continues to rage with countless dead. The newest tactic aside from starvation is the use of a "barrel bomb".



It started fairly low tech. A barrel filled with explosives and dropped on populations. Mixed success rate with wick fuze. Now if you pay attention to the video you can see fins have been added to attempt to stabilize the weapon. And an impact fuze appears to have been installed. Pretty impressive power for a crude weapon.

It doesn't appear that this war is near over. And based on past studies of civil wars it still has a number of years left. IIRC the avg civil war something in the range of 60 months/5 years. And it is certainly possible it will remain in a conflict trap. Meaning once the civil war ends it will likely relapse back into war.

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Old 02-14-2014, 01:16 PM   #2
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What? You expect e46F-ers to have an intelligent debate on Syria?

The last thread on Syria was ruined when Puft boy crapped in it and needed an education on terrorism

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Old 02-14-2014, 01:23 PM   #3
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What? You expect e46F-ers to have an intelligent debate on Syria?

The last thread on Syria was ruined when Puft boy crapped in it and needed an education on terrorism

Stick to topics e46F love to discuss ad nauseam: guns, gay rights, minimum wage, ACA, GOP, and liberals.




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I honestly can't see a "good" solution to the problem. Russia backing Assad doesn't help. If the Assad regime falls, the government will turn into chaos, and the people probably won't be any better off. Getting rid of Assad may not (probably wont) achieve the desired outcome (a free and democratic Syria.)
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I don't see a solution to many of the conflicts in the ME outside of one side exterminating the other...which would probably lead to a new conflict within the side that won. Here we go again!
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What's the point of this discussion? War sucks for the people involved in it? Who's gonna argue against that?
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What's the point of this discussion? War sucks for the people involved in it? Who's gonna argue against that?
Perhaps the real geolpolitical consequences. You can discuss this or something Bill Maher said.
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A guy who lived six miles from me was confirmed as the first Brit to become a suicide bomber in Syria today. The situation in that country is properly FUBAR for sure.
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I don't see a solution to many of the conflicts in the ME outside of one side exterminating the other...which would probably lead to a new conflict within the side that won. Here we go again!
This just what happened in Sri Lanka, where the government forces completely destroyed the Tamil Tigers. I've been to the country since and whilst the Tamils are still treated pretty shitty, there has been virtually no issues since the end of the war with terror or uprisings. Not saying that both sides didn't commit heinous acts by the boatload, but complete victory followed by pragmatism by the defeated (and more importantly) the winners after war is what's required to get things back onto some sort of level platform for all.
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Perhaps the real geolpolitical consequences. You can discuss this or something Bill Maher said.
I uniformly disagree with anything Bill Maher says. So whatever his stance is on Syria, I disagree wholeheartedly.
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Why are these folks fighting? Outstanding effect on target for low rent ordinance.
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badfast, give us the details

Interested, but unless there's a direct impact on any of us, I would think most Americans wouldn't care.
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This just what happened in Sri Lanka, where the government forces completely destroyed the Tamil Tigers. I've been to the country since and whilst the Tamils are still treated pretty shitty, there has been virtually no issues since the end of the war with terror or uprisings. Not saying that both sides didn't commit heinous acts by the boatload, but complete victory followed by pragmatism by the defeated (and more importantly) the winners after war is what's required to get things back onto some sort of level platform for all.
I imagine the reasons the Alawites fight so ruthless is because if they lose power they will be subjected to some harsh treatment. Not to mention loss of power is a loss of control over resources and treasure.

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Interested, but unless there's a direct impact on any of us, I would think most Americans wouldn't care.
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Geography - close to allies, close to oil. Spillover has happened and can have an impact on global oil prices.

Jihadists - They gain another foothold. Partially due to our involvement (supplies and arms). Does not help our national security if Syria falls under control of jihadists. Al-Assad's indiscriminate bombing campaigns will send more fighters to the rebel side.

It can easily argued that Syria doesn't directly impact the US. And I'd agree to a certain extent (for now), but nonetheless it is an important event that is happening now.

FTR, I don't expect most Americans to care. I expect even fewer on here to care. No surprise when you consider most Americans are all about scoring political points rather than show any interest in what's going on in the world beyond our borders.
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I honestly can't see a "good" solution to the problem. Russia backing Assad doesn't help. If the Assad regime falls, the government will turn into chaos, and the people probably won't be any better off. Getting rid of Assad may not (probably wont) achieve the desired outcome (a free and democratic Syria.)
Syria rose to the current level of conflict when Hillary and Barak gave them weapons and encouragement. They are the ones that set the ME on fire.

If Assad falls then Syria will fall into a bloody killing field. Whoever wins will move into villages that don't support them and start exacting revenge against their former enemies. There will be riots in the streets like in Egypt, car bombs like they have in Iraq and it's quite possible that you may have 2,3 groups vying for power with no clear control like they recently had / have in Lebanon.

The people in the ME are not educated and reasonable like the citizens of the former East Bloc. It won't be a peaceful transition to a representative Republic. It will just be more of the same we have seen. Except the man's name won't be Assad.


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