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Old 02-16-2014, 10:22 AM   #21
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True. A number of us wrongly assumed that justice would be served in Zimmerman's case.
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Old 02-16-2014, 10:39 AM   #22
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Actually Dunn's lawyer cited SYG during his closing arguments.
Didn't know that. But they didn't use it as a defense, right? There was no prelim SYG hearing in an attempt to dismiss the case, and protect Dunn from further legal actions, right? And the issue wasn't his duty to retreat, it was whether he was reasonably in fear of injury/death?

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I too am baffled as to how he is convicted on attempted murder but NOT on murder, since the kid died. I know enough about the law to know sometimes it doesn't make sense, so haveto assume the prosecution did a poor job or they didn't have a smoking gun-level of evidence as required. To me, that he told his girlfriend to get in the car is proof that he knew he was wrong and was planning to flee. Did they actually flee the scene?

At least he was convicted on serious charges and hopefully will be sentenced to a long prison term. This case is in reality exactly what many people wrongly assumed about Zimmerman.
I disagree that telling the fiancé to get in the car and leaving are evidence of wrongdoing. I'd have gotten outta there too.

Seems to me there's a lot more wrong with the guy's story (about what he did after) that makes me wonder how honest he's being about what happened.
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I too am baffled as to how he is convicted on attempted murder but NOT on murder, since the kid died. I know enough about the law to know sometimes it doesn't make sense, so haveto assume the prosecution did a poor job or they didn't have a smoking gun-level of evidence as required. To me, that he told his girlfriend to get in the car is proof that he knew he was wrong and was planning to flee. Did they actually flee the scene?

At least he was convicted on serious charges and hopefully will be sentenced to a long prison term. This case is in reality exactly what many people wrongly assumed about Zimmerman.
This was another case of Angela Corey out of her mind. She wasted time and money with a first degree charge and apparently didn't even go for a lesser included instruction. I know she didn't try the case but the charges were out of her office, on her instruction.

As to the attempt murder convictions, those were second degree attempt convictions. Had Corey charged second degree, as she should have, it would have been guilty on all counts and a well deserved life sentence for Dunn.
Under Florida's 10-20-life law, he would have got life with a mandatory 25 before any thought of parole. He may still get life, or 60 years.
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True. A number of us wrongly assumed that justice would be served in Zimmerman's case.
You see, in Florida we try to follow the LAW, not the polls.

I am puzzled as to why this case which screams racial motivation, has not got the attention from the "civil rights" advocates that it deserves?

There is little doubt in my mind that Dunn, lubricated with about 5 drinks from the wedding he attended, was angered by these "gangstas" with their loud music and chose to take it upon himself to teach them a lesson.
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This was another case of Angela Corey out of her mind. She wasted time and money with a first degree charge and apparently didn't even go for a lesser included instruction. I know she didn't try the case but the charges were out of her office, on her instruction.

As to the attempt murder convictions, those were second degree attempt convictions. Had Corey charged second degree, as she should have, it would have been guilty on all counts and a well deserved life sentence for Dunn.
Under Florida's 10-20-life law, he would have got life with a mandatory 25 before any thought of parole. He may still get life, or 60 years.
If in fact Dunn was charged with first degree murder, I agree he was mis-charged. Hard to argue premeditation in a parking lot altercation between strangers that probably lasted all of 60 seconds. Second degree murder certainly seems more appropriate.

But are you sure it was first degree? I've read 3 articles and none of them explicity state the hung charge was first degree murder.
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If in fact Dunn was charged with first degree murder, I agree he was mis-charged. Hard to argue premeditation in a parking lot altercation between strangers that probably lasted all of 60 seconds. Second degree murder certainly seems more appropriate.

But are you sure it was first degree? I've read 3 articles and none of them explicity state the hung charge was first degree murder.
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That stupid cow Angela Corey even gave a press conference after the verdict, vowing to retry the first degree charge.
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http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/15/justic...ial/index.html

Here's the link to CNN outlining the verdict.
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My favorite part of this is seeing the same idiots posting about this that were posting the same crap after the Zimmerman trial. No one knows anything, pure reactionary manufactured outrage. Also, these same people only seem to care when a black is killed by someone that isn't black. Funny how that works.
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This particular murderer is goingto prison for 60 years on the temp charges. That's not an aoutrage. It's justice - the justice that Trayvon Martin was denied.

Why don't you just go ahead and kill a black kid yourself?

Maybe you'll stop your little race war after you get a little blood on your own hands.
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This particular murderer is goingto prison for 60 years on the temp charges. That's not an aoutrage. It's justice - the justice that Trayvon Martin was denied.

Why don't you just go ahead and kill a black kid yourself?

Maybe you'll stop your little race war after you get a little blood on your own hands.
LOL, Trayvon Martin was denied justice? You should read up on this thread to learn how untrue that is:

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=912470
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LOL, Trayvon Martin was denied justice? You should read up on this thread to learn how untrue that is:

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=912470
Trayvon was an unarmed kid whose only crime was walking through a neighborhood at night. He was stalked, accosted, and shot to death by a self-appointed vigilante.

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Trayvon was an unarmed kid whose only crime was walking through a neighborhood at night. He was stalked, accosted, and shot to death by a self-appointed vigilante.

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Dear god you are delusional! How come the jury didn't see it your way? What is your conspiracy theory there?

By the way, walking through a neighborhood isn't a crime in most jurisdictions. But just to point out how you are wrong, that wasn't his "only crime." Had Trayvon not been stopped with deadly force that night, he would have been criminally charged with assault, battery, attempted murder, who knows. To the rare credit of the Florida DA, the state apparently decided it wasn't necessary to charge a deceased person.

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Dear god you are delusional! How come the jury didn't see it your way? What is your conspiracy theory there?

By the way, walking through a neighborhood isn't a crime in most jurisdictions. But just to point out how you are wrong, that wasn't his "only crime." Had Trayvon not been stopped with deadly force that night, he would have been criminally charged with assault, battery, attempted murder, who knows. To the rare credit of the Florida DA, the state apparently decided it wasn't necessary to charge a deceased person.
With what crime? He was standing his ground after being stalked & accosted by a creepy ass cracker.
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Dear god you are delusional! How come the jury didn't see it your way? What is your conspiracy theory there?

By the way, walking through a neighborhood isn't a crime in most jurisdictions. But just to point out how you are wrong, that wasn't his "only crime." Had Trayvon not been stopped with deadly force that night, he would have been criminally charged with assault, battery, attempted murder, who knows. To the rare credit of the Florida DA, the state apparently decided it wasn't necessary to charge a deceased person.
I'm glad we have 2 less thugs on the street. They needed to be killed. Lair get your head out of the sand.


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Thank you sir.

IANAL, but that doesnt make a lick of sense to me. His actions against everyone in the car were the same. The results were different, but that should be the difference between attempted murder and murder. Unless the kid that died is the one he was verbally engaged with and that is enough to qualify as premeditation?

It's good none of these kids attacked Dunn and savagely beat him for no reason the way TM did with GZ, since it makes all the difference in the world legally.

Now, if only one of these kids had killed 22 people by throwing popcorn at them while studying in Italy as captain of a cruise ship...
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It's good none of these kids attacked Dunn and savagely beat him for no reason the way TM did with GZ, since it makes all the difference in the world legally.
inb4 Liar or phrozen claim the "reason" was because GZ was "stalking" TM, as if that is reasonable cause to attack someone!
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inb4 you claim it's reasonable and customary to follow strangers around in the dark with a gun in your hand.
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inb4 you claim it's reasonable and customary to follow strangers around in the dark with a gun in your hand.
He didn't have the gun drawn until he was on the ground being pounded. Facts escape you
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