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Old 06-12-2014, 02:19 PM   #41
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Tenure - part of a profession that gives you the ability to get yours and keep it.

Capitalism in its purest form.
Tenure is law i.e. regulation. So that means it's not capitalistic.

You're not even a smart communist.
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Public sector jobs equal capitalism....there might be elevated levels of radon at your place.
psssst. . .it's not the job. It's the act.

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Tenure is law i.e. regulation. So that means it's not capitalistic.

You're not even a smart communist.
See above, Einstein.
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Old 06-12-2014, 08:31 PM   #43
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No that's not capitalism.


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What is it called when you capitalize on something?

Communism?
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What is it called when you capitalize on something?



Communism?

It's not capitalism in the economic sense. Instituting regulations is the opposite of capitalism.


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It's not capitalism in the economic sense. Instituting regulations is the opposite of capitalism.
Like when the governor of Louisiana instituted new regulations that prohibit people from suing oil companies?
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Like when the governor of Louisiana instituted new regulations that prohibit people from suing oil companies?

Yeah that's not capitalism. Capitalism is free market. That's not free market. Therefore it's not capitalism.


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Does this open up teachers to attacks by poor performing kids and their shitty parents?
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Does this open up teachers to attacks by poor performing kids and their shitty parents?
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Sure.
So glad I am not a teacher in "everyone is a winner" America where every child is an Einstein and poor performance and behavior would never be the fault of the child.
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So glad I am not a teacher in "everyone is a winner" America where every child is an Einstein and poor performance and behavior would never be the fault of the child.
Or the parents. It's never the parents.
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So glad I am not a teacher in "everyone is a winner" America where every child is an Einstein and poor performance and behavior would never be the fault of the child.
Welcome to society. You can hold the government responsible for that trend.
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Welcome to society. You can hold the government responsible for that trend.
How is this the government's fault? Parents believe and tell their kids they are a genius. And when proven that their precious is not a genius, well it is obviously the fault of someone else--the teacher, school, easy target to not blame kid or parent.
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How is this the government's fault? Parents believe and tell their kids they are a genius. And when proven that their precious is not a genius, well it is obviously the fault of someone else--the teacher, school, easy target to not blame kid or parent.
Parents vote politicians into office. Parents complain. Politicians vote and change rules. Children can't be disciplined anymore. Children become unruly. Children get their way. Parents are happy. Good teachers exit teaching industry. Bad teachers stick around for a paycheck. Children grow up to become adults and become societal fvck ups. Parents not happy. Cycle repeats itself.

So yeah, you're right, parents are a large part of the problematic equation. Forgive my mistake.
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tenure does not prevent a school district from removing a teacher. It only protects the teacher from being removed without some type of due process. In a world where every student is a genius, behavioral issues are the teachers fault, and students are out to get you each and every day, its only fair for teachers to have tenure.

So many people on here are willing to post their thoughts and comments regarding how foolish tenure is while being so ignorant to the atmosphere that teachers work in.

In public education what is the reward for a successful school year? For working your butt off to educate the students, all while administration, govt, and parents make it harder. Nothing. No pay raise for performance. Not even a high five.

Each person on here had at least one teacher who influenced them in a positive way, and may have assisted in creating that "spark" that motivated you to do what you do today. Please don't group 100% of the teachers in the same category as the 10% who don't work as hard.

Those of you who recognize the issues stretch much further than the classroom, good for you for being aware of the influences that politicians and parents have on education in our country.
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Due process. Yeah.

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_224545...a-can-be-tough


They also laid teachers off based ONLY on seniority. So it didn't matter if you're a gifted teacher, if the shtbag teacher has more seniority than you when budget cuts come it's you who get the boot.


Works out really well for the kids.

http://www.contracostatimes.com/rss/ci_22389672

Works out so well for the kids that if a teacher pleads guilty to assaulting one, it's STILL hard to fire her.
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tenure does not prevent a school district from removing a teacher. It only protects the teacher from being removed without some type of due process. In a world where every student is a genius, behavioral issues are the teachers fault, and students are out to get you each and every day, its only fair for teachers to have tenure.

So many people on here are willing to post their thoughts and comments regarding how foolish tenure is while being so ignorant to the atmosphere that teachers work in.

In public education what is the reward for a successful school year? For working your butt off to educate the students, all while administration, govt, and parents make it harder. Nothing. No pay raise for performance. Not even a high five.

Each person on here had at least one teacher who influenced them in a positive way, and may have assisted in creating that "spark" that motivated you to do what you do today. Please don't group 100% of the teachers in the same category as the 10% who don't work as hard.

Those of you who recognize the issues stretch much further than the classroom, good for you for being aware of the influences that politicians and parents have on education in our country.
this. poor performing teachers that remain are a fault of administration, not tenure.

people are super uneducated on this topic.
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tenure does not prevent a school district from removing a teacher. It only protects the teacher from being removed without some type of due process. In a world where every student is a genius, behavioral issues are the teachers fault, and students are out to get you each and every day, its only fair for teachers to have tenure.

So many people on here are willing to post their thoughts and comments regarding how foolish tenure is while being so ignorant to the atmosphere that teachers work in.

In public education what is the reward for a successful school year? For working your butt off to educate the students, all while administration, govt, and parents make it harder. Nothing. No pay raise for performance. Not even a high five.

Each person on here had at least one teacher who influenced them in a positive way, and may have assisted in creating that "spark" that motivated you to do what you do today. Please don't group 100% of the teachers in the same category as the 10% who don't work as hard.

Those of you who recognize the issues stretch much further than the classroom, good for you for being aware of the influences that politicians and parents have on education in our country.
In the case in California, the judge found that the "due process" required sometimes cost the state as much as $450K. That's just absurd.

I don't think anyone is grouping all teachers in the same bucket. Only a moron would assert that all teachers are part of this problem.
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In the case in California, the judge found that the "due process" required sometimes cost the state as much as $450K. That's just absurd.

I don't think anyone is grouping all teachers in the same bucket. Only a moron would assert that all teachers are part of this problem.
the problem with this ruling is that the general public sees this as "now we can fire bad teachers, because they were untouchable under prior laws".

that's just simply not true. the system was to stop the unjust firing of experienced teachers, not to protect sh!tty ones. the current laws allow for the firing of under performing teachers.

a $450k dismissal is insane, i agree. but whats the average cost to dismiss an under performing teacher? i dont want the extremes, the average is more important. (admittedly, i'm uniformed of the average cost)
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