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Old 08-03-2004, 04:46 PM   #21
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Yeah, go drive your variety of BMW's.
Let's start over...

Hi, my name is Rob. I was polite to you and clarifying what some experiences mean or do not mean.

I build performance parts for a living. A lot of performance parts. Many people view them to be the best possible that you can get, and that's a goal I shoot for.

If I point out that a single comparison between different cars has mitigating factors, for very good reasons, and do it in a polite and civil fashion, the least I can do is expect a rational and reasonable consideration on your end.

Some people consider the experience behind my explanations to be worthwhile. I consider my explanations to be concrete and provable beyond any reasonable doubt. My reputation rides on that fact.

Thre is no need to be flippant or rude. I have not treated you that way, and would appreciate if you would return the basic respect already shown to you.

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Old 08-03-2004, 11:14 PM   #22
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All what you said is understood. But you are basically saying that each and every car has a different build. So, thay all have different DNA also, right? Seriously, if the parts are the same, the results will be the same. I have 2 friends, one being my old 330ci, 2 different years, both with SPEC setups, and they both have zero chatter, or rattle. Slightly when the air is on. Just luck, right? What is at UUC that is so "ground breaking" that they are building there-You guys offer pullies, clutches- short shifters- etc... You are not doing some ground breaking stuff here, true your more into it than we are, but there is always a limit. Now I certainly didnt mean to come across as rude so please accept my apology, but you have to agree on one thing, everyone is entitled to their opinion, thats why there are so many different car companies, and you vouch your "opinion" when ever UUC comes up, as they can only be the best... If that were so there would only be UUC..
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Old 08-03-2004, 11:29 PM   #23
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All what you said is understood. But you are basically saying that each and every car has a different build. So, thay all have different DNA also, right? Seriously, if the parts are the same, the results will be the same.
That's a reduction to absurdity, and then over-simplification.

Take two brand new cars, sequential VINs. Put them both on the same dyno, one right after another. Are the results identical? Not in this universe!

Little tiny differences that usually don't need "repair" are all over the place and affect performance. Same little tiny differences can make one gearbox smooth and another rougher... or one noisier than another with the same flywheel. The initial point being that anecdotal experience is generally worthless, and needs to be taken in context. If I get mugged by a guy with sunglasses, are all sunglass-wearers muggers? No, but that demonstrates how a single-point sampling will lead to inaccurate conclusions.

This is common sense and common experience. I shouldn't even need to discuss this!


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Just luck, right? What is at UUC that is so "ground breaking" that they are building there-You guys offer pullies, clutches- short shifters- etc... You are not doing some ground breaking stuff here, true your more into it than we are, but there is always a limit.
If you don't know what's different, you haven't done any research. It's all right at http://www.uucmotorwerks.com You can click the link and read for a little while, I don't need to re-type it all here.


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Now I certainly didnt mean to come across as rude so please accept my apology, but you have to agree on one thing, everyone is entitled to their opinion

Honestly, you did come off as rude. In a written medium like this, perhaps some extra care is a good idea to avoid that. We're all enthusiasts with similar goals, no reason to create a hostile environment even by accident.
(EDIT: Sorry, not you - GabbyGM3 mostly)

As I often say, opinion is perfectly fine... but has no place whatsoever in technical matters. You can "prefer" blue. You cannot "prefer" that aluminum is stronger than titanium. You can, by simple empirical evidence and measurement, know that build variation results in different final effects.

That's my point, which leads to fact that if you say "X was quieter than Y", it really should not be expressed as the accurate truth 100% of the time, but qualified as a single instance that is contrary to what we have shown in so many other Stage2/sprung-hub installs where a car's owner changes from another brand setup to UUC's and is pleasantly surprised to find the result is much quieter - never the opposite way.

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Old 08-04-2004, 01:44 AM   #24
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I came across this thread while reading over my friends thread (SC 3series) in this section.
I feel compelled to reply b/c my car is being talked about.

The reason i suggessted that gabbygm3's flywheel is less noisy than mine is b/c i do not know every detailed noise produced by his car.

Let me try and be more specific...

Many people that drive my car can not make out the noise of my UUC clutch and flywheel. But i undoubtedly can. The reason is that i am well tuned in to every noise that my car makes. So i am able to recognize periodic rattles from the setup that others can not.

That is why my assesment of gabbygm3's flywheel does not hold much value. He has a slightly different exhaust setup than me - enough to impair me from hearing a rattle that he can.

If i were to make a proper assesment or "guess" on which setup is better, i would say that they are equal. Just as quiet and just as good.

After all, doesnt Fidanza make them for UUC ???

We should also note that gabbygm3 has a stock clutch while i have an upgraded one. Upgraded clutches are known to be louder and less driveable. So i would expect his to be quieter.

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Old 08-04-2004, 02:44 AM   #25
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Some of us need to go back to Statistics 101...
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Old 08-04-2004, 12:04 PM   #27
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After all, doesnt Fidanza make them for UUC ???
We make no secret of that whatsoever. However, all of our flywheels are co-developed proprietary designs, most of them use an alternate or custom clutch setup.

We're very proud of our relationship with Fidanza. Nobody builds a better-quality flywheel product.


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We should also note that gabbygm3 has a stock clutch while i have an upgraded one. Upgraded clutches are known to be louder and less driveable. So i would expect his to be quieter.
Oh, definitely!


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Yeah, go drive your variety of BMW's.
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Thanks, just trying to hook some people up with a flywheel. Other vendors are just hating the undercut in price and must scare away customers. It's ok, if you need a flywheel for your bike let me know!
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yes it will work

i look into it for my 03smgm3 it can use the same lwfw as a 6 speed does. that match up with a clutch with it to.
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