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Old 09-01-2004, 08:18 PM   #21
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It looks pretty cool. It's a neat idea, like a vertical laptop!
I can think of something better than that----and it's not proprietary.
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No games, no apps, no P2P. Gay overpriced hardware.

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Old 09-01-2004, 09:02 PM   #23
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The hardware is overpriced but not "gay." The G5 is one of the best processors out there.
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I guess that's where the external items come into the picture as well as more $$$ flowing out of your pocketbook.
If you cant afford a $15-20 dollar 2 button mouse with a scroll wheel, I dont think you should buy a computer...let alone a bmw.
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Old 09-02-2004, 02:38 AM   #25
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Old 09-02-2004, 02:42 AM   #26
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No games, no apps, no P2P. Gay overpriced hardware.

I'll move to Linux before I run Mac OS
Games is the only real thing that PC has an advantage over macs. As far as everything else, name a professional or personal app that you need for PC where an equal or the exact same thing doesn't exist for mac.

As for P2P...only fools use those.

And finally: gay overpriced hardware...sure, if you want to compare some POS $500 Dell family package to a Dual 2.5ghz G5, then fine, I guess you're right, the G5 costs more. But if you're going to run a dual 64bit setup with a good motherboard with atleast a gig of ram, large drives, high end graphics card, etc, PC's with those specs arent cheap either.
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Old 09-02-2004, 03:07 AM   #27
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Does anyone else see anything wrong with this?
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1.8 ghz
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160gb hd =1900

Does anyone else see anything wrong with this?
nice of you to leave out the 20" widescreen display. besides, one cant compare the 1.8ghz of macintosh to a 1.8ghz PC.
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Old 09-02-2004, 03:22 AM   #29
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I like the old ones better..

Mac is the way to go!.... maybe I should sell my G4 powerbook now, before the G5 powerbook comes out..
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Mac is the way to go!.... maybe I should sell my G4 powerbook now, before the G5 powerbook comes out..
sell ur powerbook? hehe, im kinda looking to upgrade my mac, got an ibook, i could use the extra power.
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1.8 ghz
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Does anyone else see anything wrong with this?
that 1.8 ghz G5 processor will blow away just about any P4 right now... i believe the imac w/ a 20" widescreen is about $1899... that's not a bad price considering the monitor is worth over a grand itself... i used to be a mac user myself... from mac OS 7 all the way to OS 9... then i switched over to PC... never touched macs again until recently... the new Mac OS X is so much better than windows..... there's also another version coming out soon... it does a ton of stuff that windows doesn't... the search feature finds files instantly w/ no wait at all...
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Old 09-02-2004, 12:29 PM   #33
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that 1.8 ghz G5 processor will blow away just about any P4 right now... i believe the imac w/ a 20" widescreen is about $1899... that's not a bad price considering the monitor is worth over a grand itself... i used to be a mac user myself... from mac OS 7 all the way to OS 9... then i switched over to PC... never touched macs again until recently... the new Mac OS X is so much better than windows..... there's also another version coming out soon... it does a ton of stuff that windows doesn't... the search feature finds files instantly w/ no wait at all...
Same here, except that I've still kept my mac while using a PC at work.

Basically, to anyone who can look past the brand name and subtle differences, the two platforms and their OS's (Windows XP and Mac OSX) are basically the same. If you know how to use a mac, a pc will be like 2nd nature (it was for me). If you use PC's, macs should be 2nd nature as well.

I've used both for an extensive amount of time and I've come to the conclusion that macs are still better, not because of the name, but because of the features that are in the OS. For example, in OSX when you open an app, you dont have to have a window open all the time to keep the app running, where as in windows, when you close the last window of an app, *poof* the app shuts down, unless you minimize it to the taskbar which is lame. Another thing I hate about windows is in Adobe apps especially, when the app is open, the windows within the app can only extend to as far as the "App" window is stretched (big ugly opaque window that blocks anything behind it. In mac, the app is completely transparent and only the windows within the app cover the rest of the things on the screen, not the app itself.

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1.8 ghz
256mb ram
600mhz fsb
gf fx 5200
160gb hd =1900

Does anyone else see anything wrong with this?
As someone else alluded to, 1.8Ghz in a G5 does not equal 1.8Ghz in a P4 in terms of raw computing productivity. This is because PC's use a system of 20 steps to complete a process where as macs use a 7 or 8 step system. So its still not as cut and dry as multiplying the mac clock speed by 20/7 to get a "pc clock speed", but you should atleast keep that in mind.

Also, note that the new iMac has a 600mhz front side bus. That is MAMMOTH compared to what Macs and computers in general used just a few years ago (100 or 133 mhz front side buses come to mind). The graphics card is not a top of the line gaming model, but why would you expect a computer made for the general public to have a card that powerful/expensive? It is good for most everyones needs, true its not upgradable, but if computer manufacturers did a survey, I bet it would show that the majority of the public doesnt upgrade their graphics cards anyway.

You can put more ram in, dont be so ignorant.

160gb hd is nothing to sneeze at. Hell, I've got 200gb that I've put together over the years starting with a 40gb that came with the computer, another 40 (purchased for $150 back in the day, time flies), and a 120gb firewire drive.

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Old 09-02-2004, 01:52 PM   #34
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1.8ghz Mac = humm .. let's say 2.5Ghz PC .. so it's not that bad !! btw IMacs r made not to play games with .. but to work with that is completly different .. u don't need a 3.4ghz with 1gig of ram to open Photoshop ..
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Old 09-02-2004, 02:08 PM   #36
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Old 09-02-2004, 02:13 PM   #37
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I have to agree that mac price has become very competitive in the last few years compared to 4 years ago when the G4's started rolling out.

G5 are excellent processors without a doubt and mac hardware design is superior to most X86 PC's out there. I liked the previous iMac design better than the current model.

Yes the 20" monitor is nice, but the rest of the hardware specs are quite poor, including memory, graphic card, etc. Bluetooth and wireless networking is not standard and other peripherals will cost you few hundred more.

The only reason I would get OSX over windows XP professional is because of the native FreeBSD Unix. Other features I don't see much advantage over Windows. (Note: I use both OSX and Windows at work).

Now look at ACER Ferrari 3200 "laptop" that I mentioned previously.
AMD64 2800+ , faster than the new G5 1.8GHz (Supports both 32 and 64 bit, MS will release 64bit Win XP soon)
512 MB RAM
ATI Radeon 9700 Pro (Will blow away gf fx 5200)
15" SXGA (you don't wanna have 20" monitor laptop)
DVD burner that can do +R/W, -R/W, and RAM and it is slot loading (The iMac's super drive does not handle +R/W nor DVD-RAM)
Bluetooth + g54 wireless and "Gigabit ethernet" standard (no bluetooth or wireless standard on iMac)
80GB HD
multi flashcard memory readers (no flash card reader in iMac)
it is portable
It looks really good as well.

All this for less than $1900

For $1900 I would rather buy the Ferrari.

Now some may say "Well you cannot compare laptop to a desktop". Imagine mac laptop with similar spec as the above laptop. It will definitely cost over $3000 easily.
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amd64 2800+ processors are not faster than g5 1.8 ghz....
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the g5 is nowhere near its powerbook debut. just cuz the imac came out doesnt mean that the powerbook is on the way. also, the imac design seems to me to be something of a preview of the rumored mac tabletpc. there are loose design sketched on the mac tablet and the new imac could give us a really good idea at what the tablet form will look like (although it is rumored to be a bigger tablet, its not 20"'s big)

and getting a 64bit chip, like athlon 64's, does not help at all right now because windows xp isnt made to utilize the bigger pipeline. (i think there are graphics programs out there made to use the 64bit capability, not sure tho)
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the g5 is nowhere near its powerbook debut. just cuz the imac came out doesnt mean that the powerbook is on the way. also, the imac design seems to me to be something of a preview of the rumored mac tabletpc. there are loose design sketched on the mac tablet and the new imac could give us a really good idea at what the tablet form will look like (although it is rumored to be a bigger tablet, its not 20"'s big)

and getting a 64bit chip, like athlon 64's, does not help at all right now because windows xp isnt made to utilize the bigger pipeline. (i think there are graphics programs out there made to use the 64bit capability, not sure tho)
G5 Powerbooks wont be out until next year I believe.

64 bit chips will really shine when both the OS's (Windows XP and Mac OSX) and applications are 64 bit (like Maya, 3dsmax, Shake, After Effects, Photoshop, Final Cut Pro, etc).

And comparing the iMac to a nice pc laptop doesn't work because laptops would have more like bluetooth and airport standard, where as an imac isn't going anywhere so its not really necessary and would only inflate the price of the machine. The graphics card in the iMac is fine for 95% of the people that will buy an iMac, professionals or mac gamers will buy Powermac Towers anyway (I know I would).
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