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Old 12-27-2004, 03:49 PM   #1
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Post Passport X50 vs Valentine 1 (long)

I took a roadtrip this weekend with both the X50 and the V1 in the hopes of "doubling" up protection, but more with the objective of giving a "real world" review from a fellow "fanatic."

My V1 is not the latest model with the "pop" detection as seeon on V1's website, it is the model preceeding V1's latest model. The X50 was hardwired into my friend's car, and the V1 was plugged into the CLA plug. They were mounted at the top of the windshield at the same height. The two radars did not interfere with each other as far as I can see. X50 was set on "highway" mode, and the V1 was set on "Super Logic" mode (big L).

I drove about 1000 miles, from LA to SF and back. On an average trip, you can pick up at least 3-4 CHP's per way. Took about 4.5 hours per way including fuel stops, so you can estimate our average speed.

We picked up a total of 5 CHP's this weekend with the radars. Both radars were accurrate in reading the radar signals and the strengths, which helps to estimate distance from the patrol car.

The V1 always picked up the KA signals before the X50. However, it beats the X50 by less than 1 second every time. On this road, the 0.5 seconds doesnt really matter because the radar will go off for about 30 seconds before the cop passes by on the other side, which gives plenty of time to slow down anyways. However, if the situation was a radar trap or instant on, it may be the difference between a ticket and no ticket.

Coming down from Tahoe last week on a 2 lane road, we had less than 2 seconds to slow down from 90 to 65mph in a X5. As we passed the cop hiding around the corner, we were going about 70-75mph.. In that case, we probably would have gotten a ticket with the X50.

To me, the X50's "POP" mode is more of a joke than anything else. It gives a false alarm every 20-30 minutes while the V1 stayed silent. So we turned the "POP" detection off.

The X50 had more usable functions than the "on-off" V1. The voltage readout is useful, so is the frequency display when the radar goes off. There are other functions but nothing that I wanted to play with while driving.

The arrow readout. My friend says that after getting used to the X50, the arrows provide more of a "time" advantage than anything else because it lets you speed up sooner. It is common sense that if you read a Ka, you should slow down. But V1's arrows literally points at the cops as they pass by.

The bogey counter - Bogey counter is cool, but when Ka signals reflect off the back of semis, you get multiple arrows and bogeys going.

With everything said and done, my friend would buy a V1 if he had the money to spend $400 up front. Because it costs around $100 to upgrade, versus buying brand new unit when upgrading the escort. V1 is $400 + $100 to upgrade. Escort is $250 for first unit, $250 for second unit.

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Old 12-27-2004, 03:54 PM   #2
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good writeup.

i fail to see how you could tell that one was "less than a second" quicker than the other, when you have one unit in your car, and ur friend has one unit in the other. I do extensive driving with my buddy, he has a V1 and i have an 8500, and it would be hard fo r me to pinpoint which detector is better when the times are that close.

from my experience, neither detector has let us down (my friend and i) when it comes to a true police radar threat. in terms of false alarms, it seems that the 8500 picks up different falses than the V1, but both detect things the other does not.

but again, good writeup
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Old 12-27-2004, 04:03 PM   #3
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V1 all the way. Saved me many times.

Why would it cost you 500 for a V1? Its $400 with upgrade. I have POP dection on mine for that price.
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Old 12-27-2004, 04:07 PM   #4
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Good write up on both of these. I have wanted a V1 for a while especially because of the arrows, that helps alot around here so I know where to look. Thanks you helped cement my decision!
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good writeup.

i fail to see how you could tell that one was "less than a second" quicker than the other, when you have one unit in your car, and ur friend has one unit in the other. I do extensive driving with my buddy, he has a V1 and i have an 8500, and it would be hard fo r me to pinpoint which detector is better when the times are that close.

from my experience, neither detector has let us down (my friend and i) when it comes to a true police radar threat. in terms of false alarms, it seems that the 8500 picks up different falses than the V1, but both detect things the other does not.

but again, good writeup
I think they had both units in the same car... So lb for lb which is the best VALUE if there is hardly a discernable difference in detection?
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I think they had both units in the same car... So lb for lb which is the best VALUE if there is hardly a discernable difference in detection?
I've had both in the last few years and the V1 is a better unit in my opinion. Is it $100 to $150 better? Depends on how valuable the arrows and the other included items are (hard wire is included with the V1 kit). It's saved me from probable tickets twice in the 3 weeks I've had it. The new V1 has POP built in for $400, it's only an upgrade if you have an older model without it built in. I've noticed that certain GM vehicles (brake lights) set off the laser warning on my V1 though. Scared the sh*t out of me the first time it happened
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The V1 and X50 were in the same car.

I paid $400 for the V1 1.5 yrs ago, so if I wanted to "upgrade" my unit to the latest firmware with POP function, it'll cost me around $100. Hence the $500. Whereas if I had a 8500 and wanted to upgrade to the X50, it'll cost close to $500 for both units, assuming I didn't put the 8500 on eBay.
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Is there a big difference between the Passport 8500 and the 8500 X50? I am planning on getting one of those models in the future. I was going to get a V1 but I read alot of reviews and your reviews and I might just settle for the Escort Passport. I dont speed much, but when I do, I want to be safe So in short, Will I be ok with the Passport 8500 and not the X50?

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good review, but it's still a touch call considering the value of each. the sensible financial decision would be to get the x50, but i'm still contemplating the v1 .8
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Is there a big difference between the Passport 8500 and the 8500 X50? I am planning on getting one of those models in the future. I was going to get a V1 but I read alot of reviews and your reviews and I might just settle for the Escort Passport. I dont speed much, but when I do, I want to be safe So in short, Will I be ok with the Passport 8500 and not the X50?

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I used the regular 8500 + V1 combination on a road trip from East coast earlier this year. It worked just as well imo, but I'm biased toward V1's regardless

I don't know the difference between 8500 and X50, so it'll be best to do some research before making a decision.
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good review, but it's still a touch call considering the value of each. the sensible financial decision would be to get the x50, but i'm still contemplating the v1 .8
I think, the more often V1 updates its firmware, the more value it'll add to the product down the line. I always see a huge improvement with every V1 update.
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I have the X50 and i'm very happy with it, saved me multiple times, never tried the V1 though...
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My girlfriend gave me a certificate for the radar detector of my choice for Christmas. I'm deciding now whether to go with the V1 or the Passport X50. The reviews I've seen mostly give the Passport the nod as the better unit. That and the lower price, even though I'm not paying, seem to make it more attractive. But then there's something about the V1. Besides, the reviews all seem to have been written before Valentine added Pop protection. If they're Pop is really better (as their website claims) than Passport's, it's probably worth the extra money.

The V1 has been around forever. Does anyone know if a V2 is in the works?
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I deeply appreciate this write up and keep up the fantastic work! Two for a job well done.
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I think, the more often V1 updates its firmware, the more value it'll add to the product down the line. I always see a huge improvement with every V1 update.
Thanks for all the info it has helped me to make my decision. I am leaning towards the V1.... By the way, when it is not hardwired and it is up on the windshield, don't the wires hanging down in front of your face become distracting and irritating?
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My girlfriend gave me a certificate for the radar detector of my choice for Christmas. I'm deciding now whether to go with the V1 or the Passport X50. The reviews I've seen mostly give the Passport the nod as the better unit. That and the lower price, even though I'm not paying, seem to make it more attractive. But then there's something about the V1. Besides, the reviews all seem to have been written before Valentine added Pop protection. If they're Pop is really better (as their website claims) than Passport's, it's probably worth the extra money.

The V1 has been around forever. Does anyone know if a V2 is in the works?
V2 would be cool, but seems unlikely since they just update the firmware for upgrades.
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I chose the X50 over the V1 because I wanted the ZR3 laser shifter as well. I believe the difference between the X50 and 8500 is higher sensitivity and POP mode. But velocity is right on when he says the POP mode falses ALL THE TIME. Then again, I'm told cops aren't using POP mode yet. Although I don't have any experience with the V1, cops in the Denver area ARE using laser and the Passport ZR3 has saved my @$$ at least 4 times and I love it.
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Not sure if this is a , but interesting reading none the less:
http://www.speedzones.com/
It compares the V1 with the escort....although i dont think the POP feature of the V1 was tested.
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