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Old 01-23-2006, 08:18 PM   #1
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that graph looks hand drawn. Can we see a real dyno graph?
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Old 01-23-2006, 08:28 PM   #3
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that graph looks hand drawn. Can we see a real dyno graph?
This is what was provided to us, we'll see what we can do. Or if someone has a ZHP, we do the software upgrade on it and take it to the dyno.
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Powerchip is a shady shady company. They used pictures of my car on their brochure without my permission, and their software is generic, not vehicle based.

If you want real software for the MS45 ECUs and the ZHPs, go with the Active Autowerke one.

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Chris,

I have heard similar things to what Ken mentioned... can you refute his statements? I have been considering software and this would be a possibility if these gains (25 HP on a 325 ???????) are accurate.
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Powerchip is a shady shady company. They used pictures of my car on their brochure without my permission, and their software is generic, not vehicle based.

If you want real software for the MS45 ECUs and the ZHPs, go with the Active Autowerke one.

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No, but if you're trying to say the AA software costs more than the Autowerks and Powerripoff chip is, consider the Powerchip is $490. AA has an intro offer of $399 on their software. They will custom tune it, and put software on there specific to your car.

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Powerchip is a shady shady company. They used pictures of my car on their brochure without my permission, and their software is generic, not vehicle based.

If you want real software for the MS45 ECUs and the ZHPs, go with the Active Autowerke one.

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Well, we had nothing to do with their brochure so I guess you should take that up with them.

I do disagree with you characterizing their software as generic. If you have any technical knowledge of what goes into designing software for BMWs you would know that all of the software is "vehicle based". You can't simply take a generic map and tweak it to work on the various BMW models.

I am sure that AA makes some good software too, but theirs is no more "real" than Powerchips. I would be very interested to see you cite specific examples to support your claim outside of your picture/brochure issue.
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No, but if you're trying to say the AA software costs more than the Autowerks and Powerripoff chip is, consider the Powerchip is $490. AA has an intro offer of $399 on their software. They will custom tune it, and put software on there specific to your car.

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Ken, have you ever purchased a Powerchip? Do you want to start giving some hard facts to back up your claims other than saying they are a ripoff?

If you have some beef with Powerchips take it up with them. Really, I'll give you $20 for your freakin brochure photo if that is what has wound you up.
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That's not what has me wound up, I contacted them and we settled that issue.

Consider this though, Powerchip has claimed to have software for the MS45 ECU for a while now. Long before the big boys like AA, Technik, or even Conforti could figure out the encryption on the new ECUs.

The only company to have software for the MS45s was Dinan, and that's because they work closely with BMW, and they assisted in their cracking of the encryption.

Please tell me how a company like Powerchip, who produce chips for all sorts of cars, and do not specialize in BMW, were able to crack the complicated encryption on the new ECUs in our E46's, while guys like Jim Conforti (who has been doing it for years), Technik, and AA were still unable to figure out the code.

Look at that dynochart they provided. Anyone with Adobe Photoshop can fix up a chart that looks like that. Opposed to AA who have tested and installed the software on several cars whose owners are on this board.

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Those are good questions, and I won't try to answer Powerchip's part for them - but I can ask them and pass along the info.

As far as the other company you named:

Dinan: He doesn't get official help from BMW on this, unofficial maybe. He figured it out though.

AA: They have not really been first in developing software for any of the new models. Not a slam on them, it is just not their primary focus.

Technik: As you claim for Powerchips, they don't specialize in BMW either.

Conforti: As far as I know he is not aggressively pursuing this right now.

I don't think it is a huge stretch of the imagination to think that Powerchips was able to develop their own software that produces significant performance gains. Customers dyno test their cars all the time to back up any company's claims. How long do you think they would be in business if it got out that they were fidging numbers (or fudging them more than everybody else at least)?
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I have sold Powerchip software for MS45 ECU'd cars. Specifically a 2004 330cic. It was the 91 octane version since we have such bad gas here. Anyway, the car literally lept out of the gate compared to stock. It was an automatic so it really needed some help. The car pulled strong through the entire rev range. I think people see the graph is hand drawn since it is so smooth. Typically you increase smoothing to remove jaggies that really don't matter anyway. Why do you need to see every little hump or valley every 100rpm?

IMO all software is generic unless your car is on the dyno when it is tuned. Are you willing to pay $1500 for an all day dyno session along with the additional cost to cover the labor of the tuner?

Ken you have every right to be mad about the photo thing but Autowerks had nothing to do with it. You KNOW I love you....

EDIT "The only company to have software for the MS45s was Dinan, and that's because they work closely with BMW, and they assisted in their cracking of the encryption."

BMW does not assist anyone in cracking THEIR OWN CODE? That makes no sense whatsoever. If you read the fine print the Dinan software only raises the rev limit and crispens the throttle response. They make NO HP claims for software alone (MS45).

From the DINAN website:

The new 3 liter Engine Management Systems are fine examples of BMW's sophisticated engineering. BMW detonation control systems, high speed engine management computers and sophisticated "adaptations" have left no horsepower for we tuners to extract; as much as we hate to admit it!

However, this certainly doesn't mean that there isn't enhanced performance available for the 330. There is still plenty to be gained from Dinan Performance Engine Software, although the typical increases in horsepower and torque you have come to expect from Dinan are not achievable. For example, the software safely raises the rev-limit by 240 rpm, endowing your 330 with a broader power band and greater road speed in each gear. The software also removes the factory top speed governor, enabling the cars to attain their "natural" top speed. Reprogramming of the "drive by wire" throttle system speeds up throttle response, leaving the driver with the feeling of increased power output.

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I don't think it is a huge stretch of the imagination to think that Powerchips was able to develop their own software that produces significant performance gains. Customers dyno test their cars all the time to back up any company's claims. How long do you think they would be in business if it got out that they were fidging numbers (or fudging them more than everybody else at least)?
My mistake with the Dinan statements, thanks Walter for clearing that up.

Perhaps it's not that far of a stretch of the imagination to think they did in fact develop the software. But tell me, if such software was developed and produced results on the dyno and on customers' cars, how come every MS45 owner was still scrambling to look for software? Why has Powerchip not yet jumped ahead in the race for MS45 software?

They have yet to produce an actual dynograph, and not some photoshopped image of lines.

They have yet to produce reviews from actual MS45 owners who have installed their software.


Let me make this clear it is not an attack on Autowerks, but I am just looking out for fanatics. As some of you have seen in the past, I don't like seeing other fanatics get misinformed or ripped off, and I tend to throw things out there no matter the location. So my apologies to Autowerks, but I think Powerchip has absolutely absurd claims.

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