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Old 05-16-2006, 10:47 PM   #1
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staggered vs non

on a 328Ci any thoughts?
looking at the 18" CSL reps.

How exactly does it effect handling?

i'm leaning tword non staggered
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Old 05-16-2006, 10:59 PM   #2
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Old 05-17-2006, 12:43 AM   #3
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Non-staggered for less understeer.
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Old 05-17-2006, 03:21 AM   #4
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Old 05-17-2006, 06:25 AM   #5
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Non-staggered for less understeer.

thats what i was afraid of..

if staggered causes understeer then i dont want it.

I feel like BMW made such a nice handling car, if staggered wheels made it perform that much better they would have put them on from the factory.
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Old 05-17-2006, 12:25 PM   #6
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thats what i was afraid of..

if staggered causes understeer then i dont want it.

I feel like BMW made such a nice handling car, if staggered wheels made it perform that much better they would have put them on from the factory.

My wheels came staggered from the factory when I ordered the sport package Double Spoke Composite wheels

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Old 05-17-2006, 12:32 PM   #7
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umm staggered = better handling. You want SOME understeer. and.. BMW puts staggered setups on a lot of models including all ///M's
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My wheels came staggered from the factory when I ordered the sport package Double Spoke Composite wheels

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my M68's came staggered
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Old 05-17-2006, 01:12 PM   #9
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The CSL reps are 18 x 8.5 and 18 x 9.5

i guess stock is 8 front and 8.5 rear that seems more resonable then 8.5f & 9.5r if the CSL's came in 8 and 8.5 that would be the way to go.

this isnt helping my decision ..lol
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Old 05-17-2006, 01:19 PM   #10
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thats what i was afraid of..

if staggered causes understeer then i dont want it.

I feel like BMW made such a nice handling car, if staggered wheels made it perform that much better they would have put them on from the factory.
Any carmaker for the consumer market has to balance cost, performance, safety and comfort. The staggered set-up looks nice and sells well, but it also introduces understeer, which most reviewers for the consumer market like. People who review cars for the typical buyer get alarmed about oversteer and most typical buyers think there is something wrong when the back end kicks out -- but see nothing wrong with understeer (and probably don't even know what it is). In other words a car that plows in understeer might get a comment about a lack of crisp handling but a car that kicks out the rear end will get labeled as unstable or even dangerous by many writers.

So, BMW's decision is to build in some looks and understeer into a sport-model 3-series, knowing it will be driven harder than a more sedate stock sedan.

Others will make a fair point that a track car ought not to be staggered, but you can also dial back in some oversteer on a staggered set-up by installing adjustable sway bars.
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staggered for making tire rotation a total PITA.
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Old 05-17-2006, 01:48 PM   #12
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staggered for making tire rotation a total PITA.

Hah. Good call!!
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umm staggered = better handling. You want SOME understeer. and.. BMW puts staggered setups on a lot of models including all ///M's
Even with a non staggered setup the car will still understeer.
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