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Old 09-19-2006, 06:04 PM   #1
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lose fat gain muscle question??

I realize that my line of thinking on this is flawed so I would like some of yall to help me out.....

I'm not that overweight but have gotten a little flabby since I started work about ten weeks ago (quit working out entirely when I did)

When I was in college I used to lift about 4 days a week (really no cardio) and was eating about the same diet and definitely had less fat on me

So how does this fall in line with the saying that "it's impossible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time" yet everyone on here that is starting a diet everyone tells them to lift to help lose weight???
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Old 09-20-2006, 11:26 AM   #2
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I never did read too much into that theory about losing fat and gaining muscle. If you want to MAXIMIXE muscle growth then I'm sure you can bulk and cut.

But I pattern my routine after an athlete's. Cardio and HIIT for endurance and speed training on a regular basis. Weightlifting for power and strength. I have lost 10 lbs this summer but continue to improve my lifting numbers. I figure that I have a lot of fat too lose and more muscle to gain
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Old 09-20-2006, 09:02 PM   #3
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you can definitly lose fat and gain muscle. This is a great site for you to read over http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/losing-fat.asp
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Old 09-20-2006, 10:57 PM   #4
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Unless you're genetically gifted or have a generally high metabolism (which I'm sure is the reason for your younger college days) it is near impossible to gain muscle and lose bodyfat at the same time. Science is against you.

Now I didnt say it was completely impossible only because I know there are people who have PERFECTED their diet to a T. This usually comes with years and years of trial and error and really getting to know how your body reacts to different nutrients at different times of the day and and what amount of rest, etc etc.

Muscle building sounds like a really simple concept: Tear down muscle fiber, then rebuild with nutrients and rest. Fat burning sounds equally as simple: burn more calories then you take in. Unfortunately the human body machine doesnt like things that simple. Eat enough nutrients to properly maintain muscle and 90% of the time SOME of that will convert into fat. Restrict calories enough and the body will start to eat away muscle for energy before reaching your fat stores.

Sorry for the long post Im just bored.

CLiff notes: Unless you eat the exact right amount and get the exact right amount of rest and excercise building muscle and losing fat at the same time is damn near impossible.
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Old 09-21-2006, 11:36 AM   #5
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hmmmm - let me try and rephrase this bc I'm getting two very different answer - I am not trying to get huge or really even bulk up - I am simply trying to lift to help with my fat loss as I have heard that the muscle you build burns more calories throughout the day and when you lose the fat the muscle underneath makes your body look much better - so if I am trying to eat healthier, jog occasionaly, and lift about 4 days a week pretty hardcore, are yall saying that I will either not build muscle and only lose fat or not lose any fat but build muscle??????


thanks for everybody's help here
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Old 09-21-2006, 12:02 PM   #6
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I think this question is the one that needs to be answered.....

Can one keep the same weight over time while decreasing % body fat?
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Unless you're genetically gifted or have a generally high metabolism (which I'm sure is the reason for your younger college days) it is near impossible to gain muscle and lose bodyfat at the same time. Science is against you.

Now I didnt say it was completely impossible only because I know there are people who have PERFECTED their diet to a T. This usually comes with years and years of trial and error and really getting to know how your body reacts to different nutrients at different times of the day and and what amount of rest, etc etc.

Muscle building sounds like a really simple concept: Tear down muscle fiber, then rebuild with nutrients and rest. Fat burning sounds equally as simple: burn more calories then you take in. Unfortunately the human body machine doesnt like things that simple. Eat enough nutrients to properly maintain muscle and 90% of the time SOME of that will convert into fat. Restrict calories enough and the body will start to eat away muscle for energy before reaching your fat stores.

Sorry for the long post Im just bored.

CLiff notes: Unless you eat the exact right amount and get the exact right amount of rest and excercise building muscle and losing fat at the same time is damn near impossible.
Listen to Masko

For the average person, you can either bulk, maintain, or cut. Its extremely difficult to increase muscle mass/strength while losing fat. Why? B/c what determines whether you reach or goal or not is what you eat. You either eat above your maintenance calories to gain, or below it to cut. However, the only time the average person can do both at the same time, is when you first start out, but that phase quickly runs out in a few short weeks. And yes, muscle does help to burn more calories, so as you increase in muscle mass, you would obviously have to compensate for it by eating more and more calories throughout the day. Thats why you bulk, then cut. You eat an excess of calories to build the muscle while sacrificing some fat gain, then cut while struggling to keep muscle loss down to a minimum.
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So whats the point of working out when you want to maintain weight, just so you can eat more?

So I guess Im wasting my time killing myself in the gym, when all I have to do is eat less?????
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You asked "Can one keep the same weight over time while decreasing % body fat?" That's the same thing as saying can one gain muscle and lose fat at the same time. Thats already been answered.

The question you need to ask yourself, is do you want to be a flabby 180 lbs for example, or a ripped 180 lbs. If you're happy with your current weight, then just eat and workout to maintain. If you want more mass, eat more, if you want to be smaller, eat less. Its all up to you. Sure you can stop working out and just eat less, but won't necessarily give you the body you want. Thats something you need to decide
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