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Old 08-12-2008, 10:56 AM   #21
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If you know or care about what happens when you fit sways, you would ask about the relative merits of the different sizes! If you like the factory understeer the H&R/Turner bars will do it for you. If you like more neutral handling, go with UUC or Dinan. If you want to learn about sways, investigate the effects of different sizes before you buy. If all you care about is reducing lean in the corners, just use any old bars. I have PSS9 with stock sport front bar and an H&R/Turner 21 mm rear bar. The rear bushings do make noise in the cold weather. Anything below freezing for sure. I would recommend that you call UUC or Bav Auto and discuss with them what you are looking for in sways. Rather than just listen to the "I did this so it's the best" comments here.
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Old 08-12-2008, 01:30 PM   #22
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^ whyd u get uuc then mate?
Big mistake. I thought from their other products I owned of theirs they would have over-engineered the bars too. Big nope. We put some H-Sport on my friends car and it's a way better engineered system. Had I known before what I know now, the Hotchkis bars would have been on from the beginning.
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Old 08-12-2008, 01:34 PM   #23
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^ thats a hell of an endorsement
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Old 08-12-2008, 02:03 PM   #24
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UUC's.

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Old 08-12-2008, 02:05 PM   #25
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i have the UUC and i like them. i dont have any clunking issues, and they definitely improved the handling(along with lowering it, and other stuff). they are a bit pricier i think, but i got mine off a member here, so for the money it was a steal
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Old 08-12-2008, 02:10 PM   #26
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Love my H&R. They are true plug and play swaybars, no additional parts needed.
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Old 08-12-2008, 09:40 PM   #27
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so many mixed signals....get this, get that Hummer's post is very helpful. He is right, speak to a few places and work out what set up you want. OP, have u made up your mind yet or still thinking?
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Old 08-12-2008, 10:53 PM   #28
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I choose to go with the Turner Sways.

by far the best decision i made on sways, in my modding career.

Turner FTW
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Old 08-12-2008, 11:19 PM   #29
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I heard that the Turner sways are just repackaged H&R. Not sure though, it might just be a rumor.
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Old 08-12-2008, 11:34 PM   #30
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I have the Hotchkis sways, and I love them. And yes, I also heard the TMS sways are H&R, just painted Turner blue
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Old 08-12-2008, 11:45 PM   #31
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I'm glad this thread popped up, as these are the next thing going on my car. I've been leaning heavily toward UUC, as all of their products that I've experienced have been absolute top-notch, amazing pieces. With what I've read, and the additional research I've since done on the Hotchkis sways, my mind is changed. I'll be ordering those in a very timely fashion!
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I'm glad this thread popped up, as these are the next thing going on my car. I've been leaning heavily toward UUC, as all of their products that I've experienced have been absolute top-notch, amazing pieces. With what I've read, and the additional research I've since done on the Hotchkis sways, my mind is changed. I'll be ordering those in a very timely fashion!
I've heard stories of people installing those UUC Sway Barbarians and having them be really noisy. I've never heard anything bad about the Hotchkis ones though. Don't get me wrong I love UUC products, but that made me kind of sketched out.
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Old 08-13-2008, 12:20 AM   #33
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I have the UUC bars and I am happy with them, haven't had the clunking people have talked about with the rear bar. Makes the car more neutral and a bit flatter cornering.
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Old 08-13-2008, 07:47 AM   #34
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I went through the same thought/analysis process in my decision - UUC vs. Hotchkis. Basically, in the end it came down to the grease zirks (sp) on the Hotchkis ones. Also a buddy of mine has run the Hotchkis sways on all his GTIs over the years and loved them. Just make sure you use the supplied silicone grease and they'll be squeak free. Easy enough install. The rears just take patience and be sure to use the correct torques. Took me and my son-in-law about 45 mins for front (leisurely) and about 2 hours for the rear with a beer thown in for tradition sake..
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Old 08-13-2008, 08:55 AM   #35
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I have the UUC's and they are very good. They are not noisy if you can install them correctly, although it seems like I need to readjust my rear endlink b/c it has slightly scored the half-shaft over time. Make sure that you adjust the endlinks with the wheels under load or else everything will be off. I have the front set to medium and the rear set to full stiff and the car is quite neutral.

My rear bushings are starting to creak unfortunately so they will need to be regreased soon...
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Old 08-13-2008, 10:27 AM   #36
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aren't the hotchkis like $500? Is that a good price for sways? And is it worth it if so?
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Old 08-13-2008, 10:36 AM   #37
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good info this is needed, at bimmerfest 08 Turner told me the sways are the same as H&R, they just paint it baby blue, i like H&R, they are well priced to, actually i dont have them so i cant really comment, From my experience in calling up these shops/sponsors, they know nothing about these products, so the best thing is personal experience.
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Old 08-13-2008, 10:46 AM   #38
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Hotchkis makes the fatest (literally) bars...I'd go with them for sways.
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Old 08-13-2008, 11:31 AM   #39
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couple of questions from a newb:

1. what about the bars that are up on ebay; there's an interesting "cantilevered-beam" looking thing up there periodically (looks like an old railroad bridge-like thing) stamped with (probably counterfeit) ac schnitzer. looks neat, but wondering if it's worth anything performancewise. it IS pretty cheap, though...

2. i've got a wagon; does putting on a rear bar require hacking into the interior and attaching to the tops of the suspension/shock towers, or does the rear bar attach underneath the car?

i know these are dum-dum questions, and apologize for asking. i've not had the chance to look further into this, and in any event when i went to read my manual yesterday (just bought this thing CPO from the hermosa beach dealer) i found that they've graciously supplied me with a set of manuals... for the sedans. there is no useful information about anything from the rear seats back in these manuals, and i'm very disappointed in the dealer for this.

otherwise, i'm loving this car. gas tank could be a few gallons larger, though.
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Old 08-13-2008, 11:39 AM   #40
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I paid 359 for the Hotchkis... LOVE them, they ARE adjustable...and I prefer the look of the swaged ends to the welded UUC bar ends.
They are very impressive. I LOVE UUC also, I have now bought 3 SSK's from them, and the DSSR, I am sure their product is very similar to Hotchkis.
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