The New HPF Stage 3 - There's a new Bad Boy in Town!!!

HPF Chris · 10-20-2009, 07:14 PM

Want a daily driveable M3 with over 800rwhp and as little lag as a stock M3 with no turbo? We just hit pay dirt with a new dual ball bearing, water cooled, Precision Turbo with a smaller wheel (71 instead of 74) but one that utilizes the new billet wheel technology. In 4th gear this amazing turbo spools as fast as our stage 2.5 but the power just keeps on going all the way to over 800rwhp!!

There were several reasons to make this change, but the most important was to make our stage 3 M3's beat our stage 2.5 M3's which are EXTREMELY FAST from 60-130mph and beyond as we've seen from several of our stage 2.5 customers. The only way to do that was to improve the powerband by creating more area under the curve using a much faster spooling turbo while still retaining the big time power on the big end.

Results Achieved

Significantly more area under the horsepower curve creating a longer powerband in every gear
Boost achieved as fast as our stage 2.5 with a smaller Precision 67 series turbo.
Less boost lost in between shifts creating wicked fast shifting
Less tire shredding by providing a more manageable powerband and the ability to get in and out of the throttle without losing as much boost.
Increased torque at low rpms allowing each stage 3 M3 to get out of the hole fast!

We're super excited about these results and this turbo will now be standard for all new stage 3 customers. We can provide the new turbo and tune to existing stage 3 customers at a discount and we can help with buyers for your current 74 series turbos to help offset the costs. We still have a few days to finalize the tuning and create the pump gas maps, so this new turbo setup won't be released for another week or two.

Here's a video of the testing today...

Here are the dyno results

PUMP GAS ONLY

PUMP GAS + METHANOL

RACE FUEL ONLY

RACE FUEL + METHANOL

STAGE 3 vs Stage 2

Note the increased spool of the stage 3 over the stage 2...

spikester550 · 10-20-2009, 07:19 PM

first

rat3d m · 10-20-2009, 07:21 PM

holy crap batman

SaaDiesel · 10-20-2009, 07:30 PM

That pull sounded so violent.

mtran850 · 10-20-2009, 07:37 PM

rpl · 10-20-2009, 07:37 PM

zk369 · 10-20-2009, 07:42 PM

i 3rd that

andrewrossnagel · 10-20-2009, 07:50 PM

wow you guys look so busy congrats

thesixsins · 10-20-2009, 07:54 PM

Holy hpf!

SPDu4ea · 10-20-2009, 07:55 PM

Love it! I'd always thought stage 2.5 took the wind out of the sails of stage 3 -- nice to see you've responded to make stage 3 even better.

Buk_Andy · 10-20-2009, 07:56 PM

Always impressive work guys. I hope to join the HPF family in the future. On a side note did Chris say Jim Pak's car? Wasn't Jim's car the first HPF car and then he sold the kit later down the road?

GJGM3 · 10-20-2009, 08:16 PM

Incredible!

E-rock · 10-20-2009, 08:17 PM

I just played that video. Every guy in my office just came over to say, "What the hell was that yo?!" Sick. Absolutely sick. Outstanding engineering and testing.

HPFMTRE · 10-20-2009, 08:23 PM

WHOOOHOOO!!!

thats impressive! awesome work chris! cant wait to see how it feels!

ST06M3 · 10-20-2009, 09:04 PM

Awesome!!!
Man I want to upgrade to Stage 3 already and my car is still going under the knife for 2.5.

ST06M3 · 10-20-2009, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buk_Andy

Always impressive work guys. I hope to join the HPF family in the future. On a side note did Chris say Jim Pak's car? Wasn't Jim's car the first HPF car and then he sold the kit later down the road?

Your right, thats me getting back into F/I with HPF.

TaZaM3 · 10-20-2009, 09:16 PM

Nice job!!

Evomoto · 10-20-2009, 10:08 PM

Looking good! This is looking like it is going to be THE setup for street cars. Any way we can see the torque graph when you get the new tunes dialed in? In the straight race gas graph how much boost is being run? I know you have said that the stage 2.5 cars are out of fuel at about 15psi on race fuel only. Would be good to see what this turbo does at the same boost level for a good comparison. Are you thinking of testing some of the different new billet turbo's from Precision for the other stages?

Attaus · 10-20-2009, 10:20 PM

Looks good, but isn't it just a slightly smaller wheel?

"The new HPF Stage 3"? All that was changed was the turbine.. This seems like more of a sales ploy than an actual ground breaking improvement.

Evomoto · 10-20-2009, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Attaus

Looks good, but isn't it just a slightly smaller wheel?

This seems like more of a sales ploy than an actual ground breaking improvement.

I think you got the colors wrong. New turbi is making more power up to 80mph on these graphs and then they aer basically the same after that till that little spike at the end that gets the new turbo over 800

10-20-2009, 07:14 PM	#1
HPF Chris Sponsor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 1,699 My Ride: 2002 M3, 2006 530i View My Garage	The New HPF Stage 3 - There's a new Bad Boy in Town!!! Want a daily driveable M3 with over 800rwhp and as little lag as a stock M3 with no turbo? We just hit pay dirt with a new dual ball bearing, water cooled, Precision Turbo with a smaller wheel (71 instead of 74) but one that utilizes the new billet wheel technology. In 4th gear this amazing turbo spools as fast as our stage 2.5 but the power just keeps on going all the way to over 800rwhp!! There were several reasons to make this change, but the most important was to make our stage 3 M3's beat our stage 2.5 M3's which are EXTREMELY FAST from 60-130mph and beyond as we've seen from several of our stage 2.5 customers. The only way to do that was to improve the powerband by creating more area under the curve using a much faster spooling turbo while still retaining the big time power on the big end. Results Achieved Significantly more area under the horsepower curve creating a longer powerband in every gear Boost achieved as fast as our stage 2.5 with a smaller Precision 67 series turbo. Less boost lost in between shifts creating wicked fast shifting Less tire shredding by providing a more manageable powerband and the ability to get in and out of the throttle without losing as much boost. Increased torque at low rpms allowing each stage 3 M3 to get out of the hole fast! We're super excited about these results and this turbo will now be standard for all new stage 3 customers. We can provide the new turbo and tune to existing stage 3 customers at a discount and we can help with buyers for your current 74 series turbos to help offset the costs. We still have a few days to finalize the tuning and create the pump gas maps, so this new turbo setup won't be released for another week or two. Here's a video of the testing today... Here are the dyno results PUMP GAS ONLY PUMP GAS + METHANOL RACE FUEL ONLY RACE FUEL + METHANOL STAGE 3 vs Stage 2 Note the increased spool of the stage 3 over the stage 2... __________________ STAGE 1 M3 TURBO KIT SALE - $13,500!!!! HorsepowerFreaks 12905 NE Airport Way Portland, OR 97230 (503) 256-5600 Turbo Kit Information, Customers and Videos - E46 M3 Turbo Kits BMW Parts For Sale - BMW Performance Parts Product questions or to purchase - david@horsepowerfreaks.com Last edited by HPF Chris; 10-22-2009 at 04:25 PM.

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Buk_Andy Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: San Diego Posts: 31 My Ride: 05 M3 SMG View My Garage	Always impressive work guys. I hope to join the HPF family in the future. On a side note did Chris say Jim Pak's car? Wasn't Jim's car the first HPF car and then he sold the kit later down the road? __________________

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E-rock Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Northern Baltimore Posts: 144 My Ride: '01 330xi View My Garage	I just played that video. Every guy in my office just came over to say, "What the hell was that yo?!" Sick. Absolutely sick. Outstanding engineering and testing.

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ST06M3 Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 307 My Ride: 2006 E46 M3 ZCP View My Garage	Awesome!!! Man I want to upgrade to Stage 3 already and my car is still going under the knife for 2.5. __________________ 2006 E46 M3 ZCP \| IB \| 6spd \| AP Exhaust \| UUC SSK \| Custom Alum Pedal set \| Alum Rear Control arms \| HPF Feramic Clutch \| Vorsteiner CSL Front Spoiler \| Vorsteiner Rear Diffuser \| Tint Previous: HPF Stage 2 \| 60-130mph @ 6.86sec Current: HPF Stage 2.5

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Evomoto Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Fort Myers, FL Posts: 12 My Ride: '08 GTI View My Garage	Looking good! This is looking like it is going to be THE setup for street cars. Any way we can see the torque graph when you get the new tunes dialed in? In the straight race gas graph how much boost is being run? I know you have said that the stage 2.5 cars are out of fuel at about 15psi on race fuel only. Would be good to see what this turbo does at the same boost level for a good comparison. Are you thinking of testing some of the different new billet turbo's from Precision for the other stages?

10-20-2009, 10:20 PM	#19
Attaus Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: Texas/Cali Posts: 469 My Ride: '03 330Ci View My Garage	Looks good, but isn't it just a slightly smaller wheel? "The new HPF Stage 3"? All that was changed was the turbine.. This seems like more of a sales ploy than an actual ground breaking improvement. __________________ '03 330Ci 5spd PP Alpine Type R, MRP 500 Last edited by Attaus; 10-20-2009 at 10:24 PM.

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