hmmm no suprise here

Originally Posted by NY337

First, I did the install of the kit and had some issues with the harness, fitment, and this darn check engine light. The harness was straightened out by VF after I did about 6 hours of troubleshooting to find out the resistor pack within the MAF harness was no good.

Bad resistor pack again if there was a tune you would not need a resistor.

Originally Posted by sickg35

Now going on the next step and replacing MAF sensors, coils, o2 front sensors and also doing headers and going catless on the process. The thing with FI is that it causes stress in the whole motor making you need to replace parts that otherwise won't needed to be replaced a lot faster.

I'm still waiting for over a week for Nik's response to my email...

Already spent $1600 on troubleshooting time alone on my car and still haven't got where I want it. It's def. not easy.

VF has had him spend $1600.00 blindly throwing money to trouble shoot for VF and the car still runs rich, after all that he is still waiting a week for VF to return a call?? How can a vendor act like this, how can m3forum keep protecting him and removing complaints? I suppose they will be accused of having an adgenda also, besides just getting their car running. So you will need 3 bank accounts apparently with VF on your car. 1 to rebuild your motor, 2 fight VF legal threats, 3 buy parts you do need, its ok because you might need them in the future. Amazing part is thats is they same list that I was given to buy to get my car running and in the end after spending $1500.00 it was a bad bypass valve like I had been claiming all the while.

Dude ... you're just beating a dead horse at this point ....

I hated the censorship..

This is my favorite forum and I always look forward to the new posts...click on pretty much every new one. But the above content is getting way too repetitive and missing the point of FI altogether, in my opinion.

Now, if we could have more posts like this...http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthr...?t=691067...(I may or not play this on a weekly basis)

Originally Posted by deltasleep

Bad resistor pack again if there was a tune you would not need a resistor.




VF has had him spend $1600.00 blindly throwing money to trouble shoot for VF and the car still runs rich, after all that he is still waiting a week for VF to return a call?? How can a vendor act like this, how can m3forum keep protecting him and removing complaints? I suppose they will be accused of having an adgenda also, besides just getting their car running. So you will need 3 bank accounts apparently with VF on your car. 1 to rebuild your motor, 2 fight VF legal threats, 3 buy parts you do need, its ok because you might need them in the future. Amazing part is thats is they same list that I was given to buy to get my car running and in the end after spending $1500.00 it was a bad bypass valve like I had been claiming all the while.

I guess sometimes you have to spend a few $$ to go over a used kit. Price you pay when you go F/I

I will have SickG35's VF M3 in my shop this weekend to install headers and dyno the car to see whats really going on... Hoping we can help him get it sorted out as I know he is pretty frustrated! So far my experience with VF has been great, hopefully this is a small issue!
Evan

Wait, we're talking about having problems with a used kit?

Originally Posted by LucasZCPM3

Wait, we're talking about having problems with a used kit?

Ya, he picked up the car not to long ago.

Wow bro, seriously, get over your god damn campaign, it's getting super annoying.

AMG ETR, is your car fixed yet?

Originally Posted by MSpired

AMG ETR, is your car fixed yet?

Spoke to Frank @ PSI on Friday and he said it was running right now that they had replaced the entire methanol system (again), but that they wanted to keep it a few more days to ensure its right before sending it back down to me (which is great, I just want it right no matter what it takes ). Hopefully its back soon and ready to roll!

E

Originally Posted by AMG ETR

Spoke to Frank @ PSI on Friday and he said it was running right now that they had replaced the entire methanol system (again), but that they wanted to keep it a few more days to ensure its right before sending it back down to me (which is great, I just want it right no matter what it takes ). Hopefully its back soon and ready to roll!

E

Nice! Glad it's fixed! Hopefully we can see some new runs soon.

If we are were like Delta, we could say all the same things he is saying above about your situation. I remember you complaining a few times as well. But the point is, there are always problems that need to be fixed, no one is perfect.

GET OVER IT DELTA!

it's a campaign if you have not had to spend money for no reason!! Why dont you tell those guys who made the post to get over it..Those are their words..not mine! How many times have we hear VF wont call me back, or I had to buy more partys to get my kit working. It is repetitve because VF keeps doing it! $300.00 here $7,000.00 there. I will stop when VF admits that they left people out in the cold and reimburse peoples money that they had to spend because VF misrepresented their product and tech support. I cannot begin to tell you how many parts I replaced for no reason under Nik's advice, then to find out there was nothing wrong with them. Obcourse it was not a nice cheap $19.95 part, it was always the $300-$600 part. Then the lame excuses made by VF to explain motor failure, it was the catch can, you didnt break the kit in..come on really! If you have not had to spend thousands of dollars what gives you the right to claim that I am beating a dead horse? Until you are on the other end then you can have an opinion, once you are left in the cold and calls not return and a massive repair bill infront of you then you can talk. Until you experiance that you have no idea what you are talking about.
VF support group ask yourself this one question..what if it was you that had to spend thousand of dollars and then ignored..what would you do?? Every person who posts up problems are bashed and threatened with lawsuites. I wonder how many people have been silenced by that? What if it was you!

The horse is alive and whooping butt

We need to compare apples to apples. The person with the VF kit purchased a car with the kit already installed. AMG ETR purchased his kit brand new from HPF, I would expect them to make good on a new kit.

Originally Posted by deltasleep

it's a campaign if you have not had to spend money for no reason!! Why dont you tell those guys who made the post to get over it..Those are their words..not mine! It is repetitve because VF keeps doing it! $300.00 here $7,000.00 there. I will stop when VF admits that they leave people out in the cold and reimburse peoples money that they had to spend because VF misrepresented their product and tech support. VF support group ask yourself this one question..what if it was you that had to spend thousand of dollars and then ignored..what would you do?? Every person who posts up problems are bashed and threatened with lawsuites. I wonder how many people have been silenced by that? What if it was you!

Why do you feel it is YOUR responsibility to post these things? Obviously people can and are speaking for themselves and do not need you to instigate it any further.

And actually, I have had my fair of problems, and VF took care of me just fine.

Originally Posted by MSpired

Why do you feel it is YOUR responsibility to post these things? Obviously people can and are speaking for themselves and do not need you to instigate it any further.

And actually, I have had my fair of problems, and VF took care of me just fine.

Because VF promotes their product and customer support as perfect, they hide complaints on M3 forums and threaten people with lawsuites if they talk. All of that is well documented. They over state their dyno numbers, offer customer support as long as it does not cost them a penny. I supported VF tooth and nail until their advice cost me thousands, then suddenly I am a trouble maker. Remember there are two sides to every story. Strange how the VF fan club never complained when I nuked HPF! Why is it that every time something is wrong with the VF kit the customer must buy parts, 02 sensors, coils ect..those things are extremely expensive and in the end 95% of the time those items did not need to be replaced. It would be different if I did not own a VF kit but I did, I have a box of parts in my garage that I never needed but replaced..totals about $700.00 of parts. VF claims to have a special tune, yet they have to utilize a resistor. Using a resistor on maf's is an old school trick for modding cars after you do F/I. How ever the problem with that is the cars cannot pull timing fast enough and ring landing damage occures. Ravi and Drippa both had damaged ring lands. VF tuning has long been in question, even other vendors have called them on it..hence the "red herring" thread. If you actually tune a car you would not need to trick the dme with a resistor..Ask any tuner..AA, ESS, HPF..ASK THEM!

Originally Posted by mpower95

We need to compare apples to apples. The person with the VF kit purchased a car with the kit already installed. AMG ETR purchased his kit brand new from HPF, I would expect them to make good on a new kit.

Good point! I bought my kit from VF and had them do the install on stage 2.

Here is an artical that talks briefly about resistor tuning.
http://books.google.com/books?id=9wd...age&q=&f=false

Guys please don't bring my car into this. It is being fixed by PSI at HPF's expense end of story. LIke I said, my dealings thus far with VF have been great...
Evan

Originally Posted by AMG ETR

Guys please don't bring my car into this. It is being fixed by PSI at HPF's expense end of story. LIke I said, my dealings thus far with VF have been great...
Evan

Agreed, I know you install their kits and dont want hard feelings.

Wow, I've been following his post on M3F and had no idea he's spent that kind of dough. Is VF going to reimburse?

Originally Posted by GJGM3

Wow, I've been following his post on M3F and had no idea he's spent that kind of dough. Is VF going to reimburse?

You should have followed a little closer
"I got my M not too long ago with the VF Stage 1 already installed."

First line of the thread!

Why should they if it is a used car/kit? Would ESS return funds if I purchased your car and I had issues?