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Old 05-19-2017, 10:30 AM   #141
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they're decent haulers for road trips. the new ones aren't bad looking

new redesign for 2018

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what do you think guys-- sporty european style?
Nope; chintzy Japanese style.

I understand you're a Lexus/Toyota loyalist, but Mazda 6 > Camry.
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Old 05-19-2017, 12:05 PM   #142
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then a v6 camry goes by and proceeds to blow yours off.
Yeah right, on the highway at speed perhaps it would take off. There is no mountain road a Camry would leave me. And the diff in the auto ZHP is going to help have the Camry off the line as well.

And since when are we comparing these cars to a Camry anyway? WGAF?

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LOL @ "In the twisties"
Do you realize this is almost all about tire grip and suspension compliance?

On the last BMW cruise, I was tailgating a 600whp E46 M3 turbo with my lowly 5 speed 325i. The driver was going all out, judging by my (almost) bleeding ears, and black puffs of smoke from his rich running engine. Have the dashcam video of it too.
HAHAHA.. Either his car was broken, he was a terrible driver, he wasn't trying, or you are delusional.. Put the pipe down...


How many people here have actually driven a ZHP auto? By the comments I would say not many.
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Old 05-19-2017, 12:31 PM   #143
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its entirely possible for a lesser car to stay on the heels of a much faster car. did it all the time in the canyons. particularly on downhill sections where weight and agility are bigger factors than power. you don't even need suspension. i had a buddy back in the day who use to shake super cars in his bone stock 1989 4speed auto corolla 4 door (complete grandma style) with blown shocks and 14" 85 series tires. the thing weighed like 2,100 lbs and on the downhill, with the experienced driver, could surprise the hell out of most expensive cars. i know because i was riding passenger for many of the runs back in the day. all we did was cruise canyons and troll tuner cars. of course on an uphill, no contest.
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Old 05-19-2017, 12:52 PM   #144
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i've floored a camry v6 before. should've seen how my hair flew!
LOL!!!!


not gonna lie... having to use every trick in the book to get my 3.5RL to pass a butthole in a V6 Camry camped out in the left lane kinda sucked. It was the last straw that made my aspirations of turbocharging it come to life. Having to drive like a maniac to pass a friggin camry was a low point in my automotive life

Should have seen the amount of cars swerving from lane to lane trying to get by. The person in the right lane couldn't get away from ButtheadCamryGuy either. if they slowed down, he slowed down. If they sped up, he sped up... effectively blocking them from getting over.

Why do people do that?
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Old 05-19-2017, 01:17 PM   #145
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Why do people do that?


Why do people care so much. Fall back and relax, you won't get wherever any sooner.


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Old 05-19-2017, 01:40 PM   #146
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Yeah right, on the highway at speed perhaps it would take off. There is no mountain road a Camry would leave me. And the diff in the auto ZHP is going to help have the Camry off the line as well.
It's cute to see such dedicated E46-fanaticism, to the point where it becomes categorised as delusion. This post being either that, or complete lack of experience with the newer cars on the market.

Let's be honest, you have no reason to test drive a Camry and I could bet your car on it that you haven't. Why pretend to know precise details when you don't?

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HAHAHA.. Either his car was broken, he was a terrible driver, he wasn't trying, or you are delusional.. Put the pipe down...
Actually, I could've been hanging back with the E36 convertibles if I chose to.

Nothing was broken on that beast of a car, I assure you.
The unforgettable, adrenaline filled memories of my passengers will attest to it, if not the actual videos.

Horsepower is not a measure of how agile a car is. Ever wonder why a Miata is as popular as it is?
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It's cute to see such dedicated E46-fanaticism, to the point where it becomes categorised as delusion. This post being either that, or complete lack of experience with the newer cars on the market.
It's called fanboyism. Very common around here, even from some of the older members.
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Old 05-19-2017, 02:17 PM   #148
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It's cute to see such dedicated E46-fanaticism, to the point where it becomes categorised as delusion. This post being either that, or complete lack of experience with the newer cars on the market.

Let's be honest, you have no reason to test drive a Camry and I could bet your car on it that you haven't. Why pretend to know precise details when you don't?



Actually, I could've been hanging back with the E36 convertibles if I chose to.

Nothing was broken on that beast of a car, I assure you.
The unforgettable, adrenaline filled memories of my passengers will attest to it, if not the actual videos.

Horsepower is not a measure of how agile a car is. Ever wonder why a Miata is as popular as it is?
I sell new cars for a living and have driven everything, I mean everything. I work for a group that has Toyota, Nissan, Hyundai, Buick, GMC and VW all in the same place.

As I said, on the highway at speed it would take off.

No, a Camry will not out handle a ZHP. Looksw like you owe me your car buddy. You don't know me or what my experiences so put your money where your ignorant mouth is.

So lets stop talking about Camry's which I know way more about than you.

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Old 05-19-2017, 02:37 PM   #149
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Enough with the bickering at each other. Stay on topic of the thread is closed.
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Do you realize this is almost all about tire grip and suspension compliance?
On the last BMW cruise, I was tailgating a 600whp E46 M3 turbo with my lowly 5 speed 325i. The driver was going all out, judging by my bleeding ears, and black puffs of smoke from his rich running engine.
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Nothing was broken on that beast of a car, I assure you.
Horsepower is not a measure of how agile a car is. Ever wonder why a Miata is as popular as it is?
if his car was blowing out black puffs of smoke then obviously something wasn't running correct on his car.

an M3 is set-up with a Limited Slip Differential, much better suspension, and is still an E46 like your platform. so i don't think the HP is what made it not outhandle your car. it was something in the way the turbocharged engine was performing, perhaps altitude pre-denoting and then retarding it's timing and/or it's just the driver. or sure, maybe his tires were bald. either way your 325i is not outhandling an M3. although i think you know this, maybe i'm missing your point.

a 330i-zhp is also outhandling a 325i non-sport.
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I think he's trying to say a lesser car in the right hands will outperform better cars in lesser hands. Don't think just cause you've swiped a credit card that magically you're the fastest kid on the block
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I think he's trying to say a lesser car in the right hands will outperform better cars in lesser hands. Don't think just cause you've swiped a credit card that magically you're the fastest kid on the block
i agree with a better driver makes a big difference.

but that same driver in a better car also increases.

same driver, in different cars...the better car will be the winner at the end.
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i agree with a better driver makes a big difference.

but that same driver in a better car also increases.

same driver, in different cars...the better car will be the winner at the end.
yep. by definition, a faster car is faster. i don't think anyone disputes that.
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they're decent haulers for road trips. the new ones aren't bad looking

new redesign for 2018




what do you think guys-- sporty european style?
The interior is... ewww. The exterior is a big improvement over the last couple of Camry platforms.
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Here is a place for you guys to go talk about Toyotas.
http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/15...um/#/forums/15
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Here is a place for you guys to go talk about Toyotas.
http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/15...um/#/forums/15
agreed. this thread is about 325i non-sport manual vs 330i-zhp.
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i can see the argument that a stick shift is just more valuable to some driver's for the engagement it offers the driver-to-car. i have always been in this category.

i don't however see how anyone thinks the 325i manual outperforms the 330i-zhp automatic in any category besides that (except comfort). but perhaps I'm overlooking something.

been an interesting debate so far.
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i don't however see how anyone thinks the 325i manual outperforms the 330i-zhp automatic in any category besides that...
No one actually thinks that. Do they?
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Flooring my ZHP auto.
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Super relevant to this thread.

according to BKMrSteel, your car is only for transportation from a to b. Nothing else matters
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