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Old 05-06-2017, 09:02 AM   #1
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BMW Says Manual Gearboxes Dead by 2024

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In an interview with Drive (not The Drive), Peter Quintus, VP of sales and marketing for BMWs M performance division, said he sees manual gearboxes (and double-clutch gearboxes) going away in 6-7 years, replaced by mainstream torque converter transmissions.

We are now seeing automatic transmissions with nine and even 10 speeds, so theres a lot of technology in modern automatics, Quintus said. The DCT once had two advantages: it was light and its shift speeds were higher. Now, a lot of that shift-time advantage has disappeared as automatics get better and smarter.

At the performance end of the car market, manual gearboxes may not be strong enough to handle the torque (power) of high-performance engines. BMW has M division engines on the cusp of breaking 500 hp. According to Quintus, the limit of high-quality manual gearboxes with good shifting feel is about 450 hp and 440 foot-pounds of torque.

Asked by Drive about manual transmissions sourced in the US able to handle more power (American V8 engines), Quintus said, We looked at US gearboxes. We found they were heavy and the shift quality was awful, he said, adding, Im not even sure the next generation of M3 and M4 models from BMW will have the option of a manual gearbox.
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"I'm not even sure the next generation of M3 and M4 models from BMW will have the option of a manual gearbox."

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then you're not a true enthusiast.
My car already has no soul just 2 easy to make hp turbos

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Wow, my generation is turning out to be awful...


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Especially since I am in no danger of pushing over 450 hp or torque
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I like how BMW puts that limit out there at 450 hp or so and just ignores all the cars with more that work fine.
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I like how BMW puts that limit out there at 450 hp or so and just ignores all the cars with more that work fine.


Even more reason for me to just keep my manual E46 M3.
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At the performance end of the car market, manual gearboxes may not be strong enough to handle the torque (power) of high-performance engines. BMW has M division engines on the cusp of breaking 500 hp. () According to Quintus, the limit of high-quality manual gearboxes with good shifting feel is about 450 hp and 440 foot-pounds of torque.
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and, FWIW, there's also this one that I hear is pretty good:



BMW needs to stop being such pansy asses about stuff. Quit complaining and start making cars that actually justify the price you ask. When a $40k Camaro is better than a M4 around a track, there's a problem.
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Interesting question for the car guys here....how many of you, if available out of 3 options a, 10 Speed PDK style, 7 speed manual, or, a 7 speed sequential would choose a sequential box in your sports car?
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Interesting question for the car guys here....how many of you, if available out of 3 options a, 10 Speed PDK style, 7 speed manual, or, a 7 speed sequential would choose a sequential box in your sports car?
Depends on the purpose of the car. 100% track and I'd take the PDK every day. Daily driver, manual all the way. I don't like the SMG style transmissions. They basically simulate someone who isn't good at manual.
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I think it is getting ridiculous the amount of gears available. The gearing differences is becoming so small now that you just spend all your time changing gears. Ok in an auto as you are not consciously doing anything and it is good for fuel economy but for a manual who wants to do 4 gear changes before you are at the bottom of your street.
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I think it is getting ridiculous the amount of gears available. The gearing differences is becoming so small now that you just spend all your time changing gears. Ok in an auto as you are not consciously doing anything and it is good for fuel economy but for a manual who wants to do 4 gear changes before you are at the bottom of your street.
It's just getting closer and closer to what a CVT already does.

Also, you spend exactly 0 time changing gears because the car does it for you. So you're wrong, you big dumb retard

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I think it is getting ridiculous the amount of gears available. The gearing differences is becoming so small now that you just spend all your time changing gears. Ok in an auto as you are not consciously doing anything and it is good for fuel economy but for a manual who wants to do 4 gear changes before you are at the bottom of your street.


They don't use every gear every time you slow down or speed up. They just have more optimal gears to choose from.


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It's just getting closer and closer to what a CVT already does.

Also, you spend exactly 0 time changing gears because the car does it for you. So you're wrong, you big dumb retard

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At the performance end of the car market, manual gearboxes may not be strong enough to handle the torque (power) of high-performance engines. BMW has M division engines on the cusp of breaking 500 hp. According to Quintus, the limit of high-quality manual gearboxes with good shifting feel is about 450 hp and 440 foot-pounds of torque.
Ok so is he saying that the ~2013 M5's transmission can't handle the power it has? Or that it's a terrible transmission?

Or is he saying he's a ****ing nance sent by BMW to feed bullshit to its customers?

Someone better tell the tractor trailers that their gearboxes "may not be strong enuff" to handle the 2,000+ lbs of torque.
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