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Old 06-17-2015, 03:13 AM   #1
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Vortech S/C Oil for Twinscrew or Synthetic 10W60

Headed to the dealership to get a quart of Castrol 10W60 oil for my annual change and they didn't have in stock. Checked the ESS website and they now sell Vortech S/C oil (3-pack) for the Twinscrew. Anybody knows what grade is that oil and if it is superior to use it over the TWS 10W60?

Right now I have 3 options:
Castrol TWS 10W60 (For E46M3)

Redline 10W60 (Compatible with E46M3)
http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=130&pcid=21

Vortech V-3 Oil
http://www.esstuning.com/products/Vo...arger-oil.html

3rd option is considerably more expensive than the other 2 of course and I want to know if it's worth it or not. I have gone 6 oil changes so far with the 10W60
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Old 06-17-2015, 05:08 AM   #2
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Headed to the dealership to get a quart of Castrol 10W60 oil for my annual change and they didn't have in stock. Checked the ESS website and they now sell Vortech S/C oil (3-pack) for the Twinscrew. Anybody knows what grade is that oil and if it is superior to use it over the TWS 10W60?

Right now I have 3 options:
Castrol TWS 10W60 (For E46M3)

Redline 10W60 (Compatible with E46M3)
http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=130&pcid=21

Vortech V-3 Oil
http://www.esstuning.com/products/Vo...arger-oil.html

3rd option is considerably more expensive than the other 2 of course and I want to know if it's worth it or not. I have gone 6 oil changes so far with the 10W60
Any full synthetic 10w60 engine oil will be fine.

I use full synth 10w70 Penrite engine oil.
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Old 06-17-2015, 01:51 PM   #3
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I will try the redline and see then
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Old 06-17-2015, 02:39 PM   #4
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I will try the redline and see then
thanks
Kool, let us know how it goes.
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Old 06-18-2015, 09:40 PM   #5
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Crazy, I was just working on this!

Its been bugging me, Castrol 10w-60 TWS or the Vortech V-3 lube. So I called Lysholm directly. They said to ONLY use their twin screw oil vortech part number 009028. Its specifically formulated for the lysholm twin screw and is different than the V-3 lubricant. I didn't get any other details, and can't find much of any reference of it online other than the fact that Summit Racing sells it.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/vor-009028

I placed my order yesterday and I'll take pics and see if I can tell what its made from.
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Old 06-19-2015, 12:46 AM   #6
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Crazy, I was just working on this!

Its been bugging me, Castrol 10w-60 TWS or the Vortech V-3 lube. So I called Lysholm directly. They said to ONLY use their twin screw oil vortech part number 009028. Its specifically formulated for the lysholm twin screw and is different than the V-3 lubricant. I didn't get any other details, and can't find much of any reference of it online other than the fact that Summit Racing sells it.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/vor-009028

I placed my order yesterday and I'll take pics and see if I can tell what its made from.
Lol.

Most people have been using 10w60 for years and no problems
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Old 06-19-2015, 02:18 AM   #7
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The Vortech oil is just ATF. Unless ESS is telling you it is compatible with your twin screw, it is a very bad idea to run ATF in place of motor oil.
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Old 06-19-2015, 03:55 AM   #8
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Well this is interesting... I have sent an e-mail to Hans to have his input
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Old 06-19-2015, 04:02 AM   #9
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Didn't take too long to reply

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Hi Hans, need some clarifications please, as there is some confusing facts about the oil replacements for the twinscrew units:

You list on your site this oil for TS
http://www.esstuning.com/products/Vo...arger-oil.html

Vortech lists a VERY specific (and more expensive) oil for the TS, sold via summitracing
http://www.summitracing.com/int/part...9028/overview/

The part number VOR-009028 is a verified part after calling Lysholm directly.

Personally I use Castrol TWS10W60 and due to unavailability I will switch to Redline 10W60.

I am very confused as I do not want to pour the wrong oil inside the unit. Would be very happy to have your input.

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You can continue to use the 10-60 oil.

We have swapped to the Vortech oil a year ago, both both will work fine.

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Old 06-19-2015, 07:34 PM   #10
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Hmm.

on one hand people have used the TWS 10w-60 for years without problems.

on the other hand the engineers that built the lysholm twin screw unit are saying to use their synthetic blend twin screw oil (not sure why someone thinks this is just ATF... I dont see any kind of reference anywhere that would even suggest that).

And, to add to the fire, lysholm just emailed me back and said to use 5.4oz of oil, not 4oz, to fill the 1.6L lysholm units.

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Could someone help tell me what oil or lubricant I should be using for my 1.6L lysholm supercharger?

Mr. Kneeshaw,
Thank you for your email. The lubricant for the Lysholm units is a proprietary synthetic lubricant that can be purchased through any authorized Lysholm or Vortech Dealer. The lubricant is sold in 5.4Oz. bottles under part number #009028 for $43.99.
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One more follow up question, I think I was told to use exactly 120ml (4oz) of oil to fill the 1.6L lysholm unit. Is that still accurate, or should I be filling it with the entire 5.4oz bottle of twin screw oil?

Mr. Kneeshaw,
My Engineers say that both the 1.6L and 2.3L use the same 5.4 Oz. of oil per oil change.
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Old 06-20-2015, 02:05 AM   #11
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If you use more than 120ml it will spill from the vent. Maybe the position of the TS in our setup does not allow more lubricant.
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Ive always used M3 10W60. Never had any problems. I think the Redline will be the same. Not sure about there Vortech stuff
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Old 06-20-2015, 11:11 AM   #13
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Managed to get 65mL out (as always). Filled then drained and refilled. I used the Redline 10W60 eventually
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Old 06-20-2015, 09:43 PM   #14
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If you use more than 120ml it will spill from the vent. Maybe the position of the TS in our setup does not allow more lubricant.
Maybe, what is this vent you speak of? Are you talking about the fill hole at the top?

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Managed to get 65mL out (as always). Filled then drained and refilled. I used the Redline 10W60 eventually
Only 65ml? I thought it was 120ml for each fill?
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Old 06-21-2015, 02:52 AM   #15
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Maybe, what is this vent you speak of? Are you talking about the fill hole at the top?


Only 65ml? I thought it was 120ml for each fill?
If you look at the pulley shaft, there is a hole in the middle. That is a vent/overflow hole. Excess oil will spill from there.


120mL was the initial fill. I was never able to get all out possibly due to the positioning of the TS. There are a couple of posts regarding this (quite old). To completely drain you need to remove the bottom plug which is not really easy and there's risk to spill on the alternator. So I remove as much from the top, fill, run it, then remove and do it again. Been doing this for the past years.

The first times I thought there was oil leak somewhere, but actually pouring back 120mL while extracted only 60mL, resulted in oil spilling out from the vent. I have more than 100000km on the TS by the way.
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Old 06-21-2015, 08:28 AM   #16
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When boosting 15 - 18psi. and driving hard I found that the TS would spit lots of oil from this hole and start to sound louder as the oil level got lower. The solution was to make a breather in which the oil would collect and drain back:

It does keep the full 120ml in there, but seeing as paraklas has over 100k on his (very impressive btw) probably not needed unless you are pushing the limits of the kit.
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Old 06-21-2015, 03:05 PM   #17
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When boosting 15 - 18psi. and driving hard I found that the TS would spit lots of oil from this hole and start to sound louder as the oil level got lower. The solution was to make a breather in which the oil would collect and drain back:

It does keep the full 120ml in there, but seeing as paraklas has over 100k on his (very impressive btw) probably not needed unless you are pushing the limits of the kit.
This is certainly interesting, first time i see this mod. Did you block the vent hole on the shaft?
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This is certainly interesting, first time i see this mod. Did you block the vent hole on the shaft?
I kept it open as I found there was no leakage at all. All the pressure escapes via the breather.

The cylinder contains stainless steel wool- (normally used for cleaning pans) to act as a baffle. When I have time I will make a better bracket and paint it black for an OEM look.
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Old 06-23-2015, 10:01 AM   #19
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Update from lysholm:

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Would the amount of oil used in the 1.6L unit be different if the unit is mounted sideways? Attached is a picture of how this unit sits in my car. The tuner who sold me the supercharger kit has always said to use exactly 120ml/4oz of oil with each oil change. Is that because the unit is mounted sideways, or are they mistaken?

Hi Ryan, considering the mounting position in this application with the unit on its side and the input shaft at the bottom, the 4 oz. oil should be correct. The 5.4 oz. fill amount would be necessary when mounted horizontally.
So official word is: use 4oz/120ml of the vortech P/N 009028 twin screw oil every 15k miles.

But, use 4oz/120ml of the Castrol 10w60 TWS or the Vortech V-3 lube if you want, because its what everyone has been using for years with no problems.
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Old 06-23-2015, 02:58 PM   #20
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Excellent conclusion thanks for taking the time to clear things for all!

Now lets see if you can get more than 65ml out on the next oil change
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