hi. i was wondering about this information and unfortunately, i have never bought a bnew bmw. i had an e36 and now an e46. i tried searching the forum and google for this information. all i get is used prices. i wanted to know how much the ff car cost per year
2000 323ci in 1999 brand new
2001 325ci in 2000 brand new
2002 325ci in 2001 brand new
so on and so forth
i wanted to see the starting prices they were sold. for example, a 2011 328i coupe starts at 36200 today. how much did your car cost brand new in the past.
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My 2001 325i MSRP'd for $35,550 or something close to that. You can take your VIN to the dealer and they'll give you an option sheet complete with the MSRP for your specific vehicle.
According to the window sticker pulled from my file...
2000 323i
Base $26,990
Steel Blue Metallic $475
Gray Leather $1,450
Auto (slushbox for you 5 speed fanboys ) $1,275
Sport/Premium Package $4,300
AM/FM CD $200
Dest Charge $570
Total $35,260
As I recall the 325s were imminent and I bought 9/22/2000 (just turned 10!) so I was given an extremely generous (by BMW dealer standards) 3% discount so I paid $34,202 plus TTL. The cross town dealer was only offering 2% so I had my dealer steal this from their inventory while it was still on the boat from Germany.
When I build a car on the BMWUSA site configured as identically as I can, it comes to $41,250 for a 2011. I believe that represents a 1.6% inflation rate. If you apply the fed's figures for annual inflation rates over the last 10 years the car should cost $44,400, so I guess BMWs have come down in price?
According to the window sticker pulled from my file...
2000 323i
Base $26,990
Steel Blue Metallic $475
Gray Leather $1,450
Auto (slushbox for you 5 speed fanboys ) $1,275
Sport/Premium Package $4,300
AM/FM CD $200
Dest Charge $570
Total $35,260
my 2000 328ci with just hit 168k, no far replaced air compressor, lost reverse on tranny, those are the 2 major problems. all others are the usual stuff.
back to this thread, my sister bought a new 330ci 2002 model. $43,000
mine was just over 41,000 tannin red leather, sport package, premium package, cold weather package sunroof. i think it came with everything but nav. I dont believe the tire pressure monitor was available yet. May be wrong. Anyway someone paid a lot for this car brand new. I have original window sticker
My car is a 2003 330i M-Sport and it cost over 50 grand new back in '03, lol.
An M3 cost over 75 grand back in '03.
Dont be scared by those prices, I live in different country with slightly better economy so thats why its like that.
LOL at US car prices, I just checked BMWusa.com and a starting price for 2011 M3 coupe is $58,000 which is lol to me, as just a few hours North you would pay $80,700 for the same car.
oh shiiiiii'.... dude i paid $12,500 (AU) for my '97 e36 in 2008 or 09 i forget when exactly i bought it.. lol
and 25,000 (AED) which should be like iono... 9ish grand (US) for my 02/03 330Ci this year... talk about killer price depreciation!!
so i guess with the huge depreciation its safe to say dont buy bnew? lol
but seriously with the CPO programs available these days, if you wait like 3 years to buy a model you like and get a cpo youll still have 3 years left with upto 100k in warranty.... and the good thing about it is that youll save thousands like im eying an 128i 2008 and they are already in 23-24k cpo with loaded with navi xenon premium powerseats... so im guessing thats already 10k - 12k off msrp bnew...
im loving it...
one more year ill surely dip my hands on a 1 series...
I'd say that is accurate. If you can get a CPO with warranty to 100K, and preferred financing rates... Also you figure you are getting a 3 YO car with 20% of the mileage used and 40% of the cost gone...
When I bought mine new I was actually going to get a 328i CPO that was a service loaner and a year old. I opted for new as I preferred the Step over the traditional auto from 1999. I needed it at the time as my wife did not drive a stick so if I wanted the bimmer AND a designated driver, it had to be the step....
A quick check on BMWUSA.com for a model search on CPO 328i shows several 2007s in the 23K to 28K range. I saw a 2007 335i recently for $26K. 2009's are already approching 30 - 32K, so a 2011 maintaining a value of 36K after 5 years seems farcical.
Wonder what they have been smoking over at Yahoo?
If you assume a car is good for 200K and 10 years a good value would be a car that is cheaper than the true depreciation of the actual asset regardless of price.
So If you assume the metric above and then assume the vehicle has a nominal salvage value of say, 2500 and the new cost is 45K then you depreciate the vehicle at 43K/10 or $4300 per year. This does not assuume the fickle consumer's estimation of value but the actual consumption of the car. Therefore a car that is three years old with no more than 60K off the odometer with an original cost of $45K would not be worth more than $32K. So if you can find a 3 year old CPO for less than 32K and fewer than 60K on the odometer is a fair price but not a bargain.
Now members of this forum will immediately see the flaw in this reasoning in that after about 125K miles maintenance goes up! Therefore for the straight consumption method to work, after 3 years you would also like to see a further reduction of 15% of the estimated non-routine maintenance repairs.
If you assume that these cars will experience $9000 (this assumes parts and labor at an indy shop. if you DIY you can spend more but why would you want to?) in non-routine maintenance repairs in it's later years (125K to 200K) then you would like to see a further 1350 off the price of the car. So now you are looking at roughly 30,650 after three years and fewer than 60K.
So the cars I see on the CPO site that are 26 - 29K are a relative bargain.
Of Course the esteemed dmax may have a different calculation as he has extracted over 300K from his '99 but that appears to be the exception so far. 200K seems to be where most of the highest mileage E46s land on this forum and it seems very few are original owners.
Try Canada for the extreme opposite, this is right off the invoice:
2001 325i
Base- 37950.00
Titanium Sil - 800.00
DSC II - 960.00
Wood Trim- 585.00
Through loan with skibag- 650.00
Rain Sensor - 135.00
on board computer - 400.00
Prem package - 4450.00
sport package -3450.00
front white marker lights - 184.00
Note: moonroof, H/K stereo, and power seats were all standard on 2005 330s.
Total MSRP: $41,470
Inflation adjusted MSRP (i.e. if the car were sold new today--it's exactly 6 years old as of this month): $47,926
So, yeah, actually $1500 more than you would pay for a comparably equipped (i.e. M-sport**) 335i sedan today. Whether one was a better deal (for its time) than the other is disputable--no doubt the 335 has a lot more power, more technology, and a few more gadgets/features, but I think the E46 has better build quality and nicer interior materials.
**closest equivalent--M-sport includes wheels, black headliner, shadowline window trim and body work but lacks the suspension tweaks, unique alcantara and minor drivetrain upgrades...that said, M-sport is also 750 inflation-adjusted dollars cheaper. IMO, ZHP was a better deal for its time.
I have the original sticker on my 2000 323, started at 26k but optioned out to 35k
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