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Old 02-27-2017, 05:08 PM   #21
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Thank you for the very detailed writeup! Really helped to narrow down my mind. Are E46 M3's really that unreliable though? I only drive about 12,000km a year. I've heard stories about people paying +15k per year for maintenance repairs.
Like Cal said, it's not really the routine maintenance that's too bad, but if you're looking at a high mileage example that hasn't been extremely well taken care of you can likely expect some things to go wrong. A PPI would likely save you from getting a poorly maintained example, but you never know with these cars.

I haven't known anyone with an ///M that spends $15,000 per year on maintenance though, that's just ridiculous. I don't think any car costs that much to maintain every year. Anyone doing that is either a) refreshing literally every single part on their car and modifying it or b) bought one with too many problems in the first place anyways. You can of course cut your repair costs down by DIY-ing where you can, too.

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[BMW Motors] Advertising has somehow convinced people that they're different. That they're made by magical Dachshunds who only eat special bratwursts made by virgins in an undisclosed magical spot inside of the black forest that can only be accessed via a special hydrogen powered BMW helicopter.
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Old 02-27-2017, 05:19 PM   #22
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Really not a fan of the way the WRX looks unfortunately
Another option instead of the WRX is the Saabaru, or the Saab 92. It's literally a WRX masquerading as a Saab. Might be more practical for the Canadian winters too! Of course, if that's what you want, then let me tell you about turbo lag... It's really bad. Like, foot to the floor and you don't go anywhere until 4,000 RPM bad.
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Old 02-27-2017, 05:31 PM   #23
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Another option instead of the WRX is the Saabaru, or the Saab 92. It's literally a WRX masquerading as a Saab. Might be more practical for the Canadian winters too! Of course, if that's what you want, then let me tell you about turbo lag... It's really bad. Like, foot to the floor and you don't go anywhere until 4,000 RPM bad.
That's even worse. I don't think I could drive around in a car that was a visual representation of how far once-mighty Saab had sold out just to stay solvent.

If AWD is a must---which it doesn't seem like to the OP---I'd recommend an older (pre-'96) Audi, but that's just me.
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Old 02-27-2017, 05:41 PM   #24
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That's even worse. I don't think I could drive around in a car that was a visual representation of how far once-mighty Saab had sold out just to stay solvent.

If AWD is a must---which it doesn't seem like to the OP---I'd recommend an older (pre-'96) Audi, but that's just me.
Well, it is something different looking than a WRX, that's for sure - I would agree with you though, it's a sad reminder of the death of Saab after they sold out to GM. If AWD isn't a requisite, OP, then go with something RWD and small-ish.
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Old 02-28-2017, 10:03 AM   #26
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Audi S4?
Fun but even more of a maintenance hog than an M3.
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It's not really the fact that I can't afford. I just don't want to have to deal with a new problem every week. Which is whats happening now to my 325i with 328,000 km :/
Like I said, get the newer japanese car if you're prioritizing reliability. I drive my M3 a fair bit, but it's still not my daily. It sure as hell wouldn't be my only car.
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Like I said, get the newer japanese car if you're prioritizing reliability. I drive my M3 a fair bit, but it's still not my daily. It sure as hell wouldn't be my only car.
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Old 02-28-2017, 12:36 PM   #29
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E46 M3 or Subaru BRZ

Depending on choice of wanting compared to needing. Location comes into play as well. I expect both vehicles to be effected by climate. You need a vehicle regardless. You probably want the M3 but do you need that responsibility? Depending on price just stick with getting into later model vehicles.

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Old 02-28-2017, 12:39 PM   #30
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An E46 M3 will always be a special car, a BRZ will not.
If you do get the BRZ, whenever you will encounter the M3 you'll have second thoughts about not getting one.
But from a financial standpoint, a BRZ is a wiser choice.
Oh, and no one mentioned the dismal fuel economy an M3 gets
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Old 02-28-2017, 02:50 PM   #32
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If he drives a 325i now he's already used to the dismal fuel economy. I have to really try to eek out 16mpg from my 330Ci in the city, although I do get better economy on the highway. More like 28 when I'm cruising.

Funny enough, my friend has an SMG M3 and he gets better economy than I do in the city...

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In that case, get a M3 for the summer, and a beater Suub with a moose catcher for the winter

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Hosgkinsc330ci.. i love the detailed writeup and comparisons
what other cars do you have significant experience with?
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M3 and civic

Miss my civic. Full tank on premium would still be on half tank after like 180miles "highway" were driven
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Talk about total opposites. One full of soul the other devoid of any
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Hosgkinsc330ci.. i love the detailed writeup and comparisons
what other cars do you have significant experience with?
Thanks! I really only have experience driving cars from family and friends though, so not too many cool cars. I've driven a stage 1+ Mk6 GTI, a Saab 92, a few Miatas, a S/C ZHP, 6 speed Ford Fiesta (surprisingly fun) and an E39 540i 6MT. I wouldn't really call my FR-S experience that significant, but from my first impressions after driving for about half an hour I was able to gather what I put into my write-up.

I enjoyed putting together the FR-S vs E46 comparison just because they're two totally different cars. Honestly, the better comparison would be an '86 vs 330Ci which would be more even. The M3 is really just the faster, higher performance car out of the box.


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just for another view
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14714
I agree with others here, a 15 year old German can might not be best choice for a daily driver (unless you had a spare car, or did not need to drive daily)
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