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Old 03-03-2017, 10:31 PM   #1
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HELP PLEASE! 330Ci WONT START

I am a happy owner of my grey 330Ci, do all my own maintenance and I do my best to make sure that everything is kept up the way it should be running to the best I can. Recently, I had a cylinder 2 misfire, and i drove on it for a bout 2 days and it went away. Then one morning, I was driving home, and the car died on me in the middle of the heaviest intersection in my town (fun i know). It would crank, but the engine would not turn over. I had it towed back to my place, and once it was off the trailer, it turned on and ran for a bit, then died on me. I managed to hit the gas to see if that would help, and as soon as you try to give it gas, it will go up to about 3-4k rpm, and then just die. I had it sitting for about a week, replaced all the spark plugs, and had that baby running like new. Then one day, I took it out and The same thing happened. The car wouldn't crank, but wouldn't turn the engine over. I took it back home, it turned on, but then suddenly died after hitting the gas and revving the engine up a few times. I just changed the fuel filter, thinking that was the problem, but to no avail. This time the engine simply won't turn over at all, it'll just crank and crank and crank, i can't even get it on to see if i can rev it up or anything. Any help is appreciated, thanks a bunch, if anyone else has experience similar problems, all input is appreciated. Thank you!
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Old 03-03-2017, 10:31 PM   #2
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I should add it's a 2004 as well, with 15X,XXX miles
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Old 03-03-2017, 10:41 PM   #3
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Replace the fuel pump.

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=929501
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Old 03-03-2017, 11:46 PM   #4
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jfoj, how did you come to the conclusion it was the fuel pump so fast? any reason/dead giveaways?
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Old 03-04-2017, 12:21 AM   #5
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It does sound like a fuel pump going bad, intermittantly working then not. Read the trouble codes too.
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Old 03-04-2017, 12:37 AM   #6
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jfoj, how did you come to the conclusion it was the fuel pump so fast? any reason/dead giveaways?
By the symptoms you described.
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Old 03-04-2017, 04:38 AM   #7
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Fuel pump mate. Easy. Been there.
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Old 03-04-2017, 05:13 AM   #8
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jfoj, how did you come to the conclusion it was the fuel pump so fast? any reason/dead giveaways?
1. It's a BMW.
2. It is over 10 years old.
3. The car has over 150k miles on it.
4. Fuel pumps are "consumable".
5. My 2006 E46 had the pump fail at 84k miles, at this point I just recommend that fuel pumps be changed by year 8-10 if you do not like to walk or have your car towed.
6. If you read my fuel pump thread, I am not the only one that has had a fuel pump failure.
7. I have been doing this a LONG time, I have too many years screwing around and I usually replace fuel pumps when the 2nd battery in the car needs to be replaced because I do not like to be inconvenienced, walk or feed the tow trucks. It is usually just as cheap to replace the fuel pump than pay for a tow truck.
8. Fuel pumps also soft fail and will cause engine performance problems that you cannot easily identify and/or repair.
9. I like to see a new, clean and shiny fuel pump installed in my vehicles.
10. I think I was Carnac the Magnificent in an earlier life!
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Old 03-04-2017, 06:43 AM   #9
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......and to add to jfoj, change the fuel filter, its 3 short hoses and 6 worm clamps. The fuel hose needs to hose for high pressure gasoline. The clamps are toast at this point.

The filter needs to made by Mahle or Keyser. Both are suppliers to BMW.
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Old 03-04-2017, 08:57 AM   #10
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Thanks for the awesome responses, it makes sense that it would be the fuel pump after digging around the thread, it just kinda surprised me that that conclusion was reached so quickly. I ordered the part, and I'll let y'all know how the repair goes and if (I'm sure it will) it fixes my issue!
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Old 03-04-2017, 09:23 AM   #11
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Thanks for the awesome responses, it makes sense that it would be the fuel pump after digging around the thread, it just kinda surprised me that that conclusion was reached so quickly. I ordered the part, and I'll let y'all know how the repair goes and if (I'm sure it will) it fixes my issue!
Most of is have been there, at least it's an easy job. One tip to make installation easier, put the gasket on the tank opening and then set the pump in place, then screw the retaining ring down.
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Old 03-04-2017, 12:18 PM   #12
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+1 on JFOJ being Carnac reincarnated
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Old 03-04-2017, 12:26 PM   #13
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I just had to look up carnac the magnificent and i burst out laughing lol

Op, what brand fuel pump did you buy?
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Old 03-06-2017, 05:01 PM   #14
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Update. So today i replaced the fuel pump (after having replaced the Fuel Filter Friday) and Still nothing. I figured it might be a dead battery perhaps, so i hooked it up to a friends truck, and it did sound different when it tried to turn over, but still no luck, and it did not turn over. Any thoughts? I'm at the point where i want to give up. Thanks.
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Old 03-06-2017, 05:11 PM   #15
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So you've gone from a cylinder 2 misfire to a car that won't even crank? You also say "it will crank, but it won't turn over."
I think most of us will find that confusing-as we think "crank" and "turn over" are synonymous.
First thing you need to do is to get your battery charged, or get a new battery.
Once you have that, we need to know if the car will turn over....then we will go from there.
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Old 03-06-2017, 05:14 PM   #16
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Assuming you are dealing with a "crank" no start condition??

Either you did not properly seat the connector on the fuel pump, there is only 1/4 tank of fuel in the car and the passenger side of the tank if empty and/or the engine is flooded.

If the car has 1/4 tank of fuel, I would add a few gallons, cycle the key 4-6 times and see if you can get the engine started.

If the engine cranks fine, but fast like it has no compression, the engine is flooded.

Read these:

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=1063462

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=1069117

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=1112112

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=1117576

http://blog.bavauto.com/17656/it-hap...king-no-start/

Also make sure the tach moves like in this video - https://www.dropbox.com/s/k7tmin8qek...4_056.mp4?dl=0
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Old 03-06-2017, 05:23 PM   #17
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Sorry, When i say crank, i mean that the starter will attempt to turn the car on. When i say turn over, i mean that the car engine has started and is running, sorry about the confusion, it's just how we refer to it out here, i'll try and be more careful with my word choice next time. I hooked up jumper cables from my roommates truck to my car and waited for a bit to charge the battery to try and turn it on again. I'm about to get a hold of a multimeter to see if it's actually the battery that might be dead, will update afterwards. Any other input would be appreciated!

jfoj. The tach does move like in the video you linked. Flooding it might be a possibility as i've tried starting it at least a dozen times if not more, if that were the case, how would i undo that? Also i can go and add more gasoline, i'm at about 1/8 of a tank

after reading some of those threads linked, i'm gonna take out the spark plugs to let the fuel "dry" out of there for about an hour or so

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Old 03-06-2017, 05:34 PM   #18
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Sorry, When i say crank, i mean that the starter will attempt to turn the car on. When i say turn over, i mean that the car engine has started and is running, sorry about the confusion, it's just how we refer to it out here, i'll try and be more careful with my word choice next time. I hooked up jumper cables from my roommates truck to my car and waited for a bit to charge the battery to try and turn it on again. I'm about to get a hold of a multimeter to see if it's actually the battery that might be dead, will update afterwards. Any other input would be appreciated!

jfoj. The tach does move like in the video you linked. Flooding it might be a possibility as i've tried starting it at least a dozen times if not more, if that were the case, how would i undo that? Also i can go and add more gasoline, i'm at about 1/8 of a tank

after reading some of those threads linked, i'm gonna take out the spark plugs to let the fuel "dry" out of there for about an hour or so
Terminology for no starting conditions.

1. No crank, you turn the key and there is no noise or just a "click" or "clicking" sound. There is no sound of the starter turning the engine and the fan and belts do not turn.

2. Crank, no start, you turn the key and the starter turns the engine, the fan and belts turn. The engine sounds just like it does every time you attempt to start the car, but the engine will not run on its own.

If the battery is low, you should by a 4-8 Amp battery charger, you can NEVER have too many battery chargers. DO NOT buy a small $30 "Battery Tender" these are designed to "maintain" a charged battery.

Forget removing the spark plugs.

I have found with a fully charged and strong battery starting a flooded engine usually requires about 3 20-30 second cranking attempts.

But if the engine only has 1/8 of a tank, I would add a few gallons of fuel before you try to start the engine.
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Old 03-06-2017, 07:54 PM   #19
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Try spraying some starter fluid on the air filter to see if the car will start with that. If so, then it is likely you have a fuel issue. When my friend bought his 540i, it kept stalling on the freeway. So we got off the freeway and the car stalled and would not start. The codes read Crankshaft Position Sensor. Once that was replaced, the car started fine. This stalling issue only occurred when the car was warm. So when the car didn't start, we just pushed it into a parking lot and waited until the car cooled down. We just didn't have access to a cheap tow truck. Same thing happened on my Audi, but the check engine light didn't illuminate. It had a pending code, so you should really try reading your codes even if you don't have a CEL. Now the problem exists on my other 325i. It will keep stalling when warm but starts fine when cold and misfires on all 6 cylinders. It also has a top speed of 30mph. That car has codes for knock sensors and a MAF sensor.
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Old 03-06-2017, 08:20 PM   #20
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If i knew where you guys lived i would take you all out a bar and buy you a drink, i got her back up and running again. This is the greatest car community
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