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Old 03-11-2017, 09:06 PM   #1
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Really Starting to hate E46's...

Hi everyone, not really active on the forum but do on time to time.

So I got 2 330's. Both Sedans. 2001 and 2003.

The 2001 I bought it high mileage, 270k Km. Apparently it was lady driven. This also happened couple of years ago, this was my first E46 not my first BMW. So i somewhat knew how much it will cost me to maintain and that DIY's will definitely help as well as having a job at BMW as a parts guy at the time.

So me being in my early 20's and since I got the car for about $3300CAD. I wasn't really gentle on the car. Car had body rust, minimal but noticeable especially on the Alpine White.

Point is eventually everything went on the car. Power steering pump, belts, pulleys,clutch,brakes,suspension,cooling system,injector, coolant temperature sensor and I'm sure there is more but those were the most common ones.

I replaced them all, I did the Brakes and cooling system( Rad, T-Stat, Expansion tank) my self the rest were through my shitty mechanic. Either way I ended up getting another E46 from the BMW dealer that I worked at. Gave the white one to my dad.

2003 Sedan 207K Km. This was I believe a one owner car if not one 2 i was either the second or third. Anyways car was extremely clean. The inspection showed that it will need brakes soon, clutch soon, and other things such as tires,filters etc.. Anyways Before I got it I replaced valve cover with the gasket as well as spark plugs. Had a couple of misfires, CEL, air leak, s rats nest somewhere under the hood, just small stuff. Anyways me being in my mid 20's now I still like to go hard on these cars, they are good cars with good motors but crap plastic components. I also understand cars age, parts fail its bound to happen sooner or later. Me being me I try to keep up with the maintenance, and do it on time. Oil changes every 7K Km filters once a year. Etc.. Premium gas, and so on..

So it snowed yesterday late last night and seeing it as it was most likely the last big snow that we were going to get I used an excuse to get gas, after that I decided to slide around for a little bit.

So after getting gas and sliding around for a couple of seconds, I've heard a noise. first I thought it was snow on the tires or caught up somewhere, but it only made that noise once the wheel was turned. Now i remember the symptoms and they seem like the PS Pump is about to fail or on its way out.. The PS reservoir was full of fluid. Now this has pissed me off. The car has only 230K Km and the pump is on its way out. Now I know that me drifting definitely did not help the situation but there is no way I am paying close to $1000 for a PS Pump. As well as while the car is in idle for a while temp starts to climb to red, doesn't go on full red but does go to the right quite a bit. Looks like a T-stat?

So I guess I'm a little disappointed in these cars, they are like Honda Civic's of the BMW world. Now here in Canada I'm not too sure of the junk parts and junk yard locations so I could save some money there. Need to do my research on that. Plus I do not have a lot of space/tool to do some of my own maintenance like a clutch, or PS Pump. So mechanic is the way for me..

Having said all that I replaced the clutch, brakes and other bits on the 2003 330. I love the way these cars are balanced they are not fast but they sure are quick.

So not sure why I posted here LOL. I guess I needed ti went.. Sorry for the rant.

Not going to replaced a $1000 PS Pump unless I find a used one for way cheaper... But Used parts,, you don't know how long they will last either..

So If I ever will own another E46 ever again it would have to be a 2004+ 330I Sedan ZHP. In Imola Red.

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Old 03-11-2017, 09:23 PM   #2
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Old 03-11-2017, 10:01 PM   #3
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You're surprised a BMW with 170000 miles is gonna need maintenance? You're surprised driving a car hard and drifting it will break things?
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Old 03-11-2017, 10:13 PM   #4
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Why in the world would you be paying $1000 for a ps pump?


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Old 03-12-2017, 04:44 AM   #5
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Dang you paid 1000CAD for a power steering pump, didn't you say you bought the car for 3300CAD? I offer my deepest condolences to you sir.
I'm now curious on how much you paid for getting your clutch and brakes done
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Old 03-12-2017, 07:19 AM   #6
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If you DIY, a OEM PS pump can be had for around $550 US or $740 CDN , A Luk brand for half that, look around.
Looking for a 2004 ZHP E46, your going to run into the same situation of replacing the same parts at some point.
Driving/beating on a 15 year old car parts will need to be replaced to keep it running. That or buy a newer car with a car payment. Do the math, your on the plus side.
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Old 03-12-2017, 12:25 PM   #7
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You're surprised a BMW with 170000 miles is gonna need maintenance? You're surprised driving a car hard and drifting it will break things?
Um no. I think there is some miscommunication there. I know what I do will make parts wear out faster and not not surprised on that. It's just that both needed the same things.
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Old 03-12-2017, 12:27 PM   #8
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Dang you paid 1000CAD for a power steering pump, didn't you say you bought the car for 3300CAD? I offer my deepest condolences to you sir.
I'm now curious on how much you paid for getting your clutch and brakes done
This was a while ago. Had the white one for like 4 years PS Pump went out last year but yeah basically. Brakes I did on my own. After market $600 Tax in. Clutch my mechanic did it along with the flywheel was roughly 1K.. Now this is the part I am not sure. When you do the clutch do you need to replace fly wheel? I've read it that I can not be machined b/c its a dual mass? So on both of my cars, my mechanic replaced them and told me they were ****..?
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Old 03-12-2017, 12:30 PM   #9
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If you DIY, a OEM PS pump can be had for around $550 US or $740 CDN , A Luk brand for half that, look around.
Looking for a 2004 ZHP E46, your going to run into the same situation of replacing the same parts at some point.
Driving/beating on a 15 year old car parts will need to be replaced to keep it running. That or buy a newer car with a car payment. Do the math, your on the plus side.
I know what you are saying, Yes i still need to do some research on PS Pump and see what my options are. The ZHP would be only a summer car so no winter beatings. New car? No thanks It might make more sense financially in the long run but I am a BMW buyest.. It would have to be a Bimmer and I can't afford a new one ATM. Nor do I really want one.
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I'd say the stuff you have had to do has most likely more to do with how the cars have been treated by you and the previous owner than E46s being a POS car.

Bought my daughter a 2001 330i w/120K miles over six years ago and never had such issues you have had with yours. Sure, she's a girl and probably doesn't drive the same way than you, but still. Over the span of six year, nothing ever actually broke on it until the expansion tank cap failed, spewed all coolant out and trashed the engine a few months ago at just over 180K. She drove it 60K miles with just normal maintenance: oil changes, one brake job, one coolant system overhaul etc.
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Old 03-12-2017, 01:15 PM   #11
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I'd say the stuff you have had to do has most likely more to do with how the cars have been treated by you and the previous owner than E46s being a POS car.

Bought my daughter a 2001 330i w/120K miles over six years ago and never had such issues you have had with yours. Sure, she's a girl and probably doesn't drive the same way than you, but still. Over the span of six year, nothing ever actually broke on it until the expansion tank cap failed, spewed all coolant out and trashed the engine a few months ago at just over 180K. She drove it 60K miles with just normal maintenance: oil changes, one brake job, one coolant system overhaul etc.
To be completely honest, I didn't even think of that. I mean sure yeah I drive them hard, but I also do the maintenance as mentioned, coolant flushes, oil changes, etc.. But I get what you are saying.
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Old 03-12-2017, 01:15 PM   #12
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The fact they both went out gives me the idea that maybe they have finite lifespans and failure is semi-predictable?

I get your pissed and may not have the money, taxes are higher in Canada, etc

However, that is bothering you is excatly what I love about the e46. Here in this community we've all documented the failures, how to fix them for cheap, and in how long we can expect to replace them by (in years and miles), on average.

There's not much else you can ask after ~10-15 years on a OE pump with questionable history and usage patterns.

I mean what are you really saying here? Rants are fine, but let's be real here.

Any other car this old could potentially have the same problem.

Mind you I have not seen any first-hand, real-world failures myself @ 150,000 ; 140,000 ; nor 185,000 with PS pumps on three different bimmers manufactured from 2000-2004.

If I do, I knew to expect it, otherwise I am outside of the bell curve and consider myself lucky.

As those three examples have shown in other areas which cost maint $$ besides the power steering system,

You've gotta pay to play when you've inherited a pair of used, teenage prom queens from the motherland. Period.

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Blame yourself.
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The fact they both went out gives me the idea that maybe they have finite lifespans and failure is semi-predictable?

I get your pissed and may not have the money, taxes are higher in Canada, etc

However, that is bothering you is excatly what I love about the e46. Here in this community we've all documented the failures, how to fix them for cheap, and in how long we can expect to replace them by (in years and miles), on average.

There's not much else you can ask after ~10-15 years on a OE pump with questionable history and usage patterns.

I mean what are you really saying here? Rants are fine, but let's be real here.

Any other car this old could potentially have the same problem.

Mind you I have not seen any first-hand, real-world failures myself @ 150,000 ; 140,000 ; nor 185,000 with PS pumps on three different bimmers manufactured from 2000-2004.

If I do, I knew to expect it, otherwise I am outside of the bell curve and consider myself lucky.

As those three examples have shown in other areas which cost maint $$ besides the power steering system,

You've gotta pay to play when you've inherited a pair of used, teenage prom queens from the motherland. Period.

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I get what you are saying completely. Luckily I have a couple of people I know who work at BMW dealers so I can get some sort of a price break. But again I know what you are saying pay to play.

If i want reliably i should get a Civic or Corolla. Not saying E46's are not reliable, but Bimmers are more expensive to maintain if you do not know DIY's. Parts as well are slightly more expensive compared to Honda or Toyota.
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Classic millenialogic.

Blame yourself.
LOL. K. THX for the input. XD
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My PS pump has probably failed too. But i'm sure it would have lasted till 300000 km+ had I not changed the fluid (it might be clogged too, its too cold to check at the moment). What I'm trying to say is that these cars last a long time with routine (basic) maintenance. The only other car I've seen lasting 300000 km+ (and still going strong) with very minimal maintenance except for oil changes is a 2003 envoy xl.

I'm sure you can get a decent PS pump off of an online vendor for $150-$200 and install yourself. It won't be genuine BMW but it would probably last.
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If the power steering felt like the pump was going out and the car started to overheat, I would have checked the drive belt first. The water pump and ps pump are driven by the same belt, why would you assume thermostat?
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If the power steering felt like the pump was going out and the car started to overheat, I would have checked the drive belt first. The water pump and ps pump are driven by the same belt, why would you assume thermostat?
The overheating happened wayyy before... Like this has been happening for like 5 month but it only happens once the car is warmed up and at idle for like 20 mins... Once you start going again it drops down to normal. It happened to my white one as well.. I replaced tstat, expansion tank,cap did a coolant flush.. a year later Water pump went. So You might be right.
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My PS pump has probably failed too. But i'm sure it would have lasted till 300000 km+ had I not changed the fluid (it might be clogged too, its too cold to check at the moment). What I'm trying to say is that these cars last a long time with routine (basic) maintenance. The only other car I've seen lasting 300000 km+ (and still going strong) with very minimal maintenance except for oil changes is a 2003 envoy xl.

I'm sure you can get a decent PS pump off of an online vendor for $150-$200 and install yourself. It won't be genuine BMW but it would probably last.
I get what you are saying and I agree. I did find some pumps here for like $150 - $400 online and its Canadian. So that's good. I never did a PS Pump before but would love to try it.. Like you mentioned its really cold for the next week anyways.
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