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Old 03-30-2016, 07:44 PM   #1
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I have a 2000 328ci and I'm running on 18 inch wheels with 255x35 tires all around. It's the coupe so it has factory sport suspension so it really is already decently kinda low but not very. I'm looking for some high quality lowering springs to lower it MAYBE maximum .75 to 1 inch. The h&r race springs seem alright but I'm not sure if I'll rub like crazy because of the wheel size. I don't want coilovers yet because I'd rather get a great quality set of $300 springs than buy cheap $800 coilovers that will be crap. Also I'm not building a racecar so I'm not dead set on getting coilovers even if they are better than springs. I'm just looking for a good performing set of springs that won't lower my car that much but just enough to get rid of wheel gap
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Old 03-30-2016, 09:03 PM   #2
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i have a set of H&R Race Springs in mint condition for sale for the right price.

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Old 03-31-2016, 03:08 AM   #3
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Old 03-31-2016, 10:10 AM   #4
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Got the Eibach pro kit.. Love it. Not too low, just right. Nice and tight handling coupled with my Konis. Nowhere to enjoy in crappy brooklyn ny though :-(
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Old 03-31-2016, 01:38 PM   #5
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i have a set of H&R Race Springs in mint condition for sale for the right price.

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What size rims and tires were you using with them and was there any rubbing?
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Old 03-31-2016, 01:50 PM   #6
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What size rims and tires were you using with them and was there any rubbing?
you don't want their "Race" version you would want the H&R "Sport". the "Race" are firmer and also drop more than the "Sport".

I had the H&R Sport with my Konis on my 2000 323Ci with VMR CSL 18" staggered wheels. it's just the right amount of drop from the factory sport springs in my humble opinion.
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Old 03-31-2016, 01:59 PM   #7
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Old 03-31-2016, 04:53 PM   #8
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you don't want their "Race" version you would want the H&R "Sport". the "Race" are firmer and also drop more than the "Sport".
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What kind of nonsense is this.........?


I guess this is why everyone is granted an opinion.


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Old 03-31-2016, 05:22 PM   #9
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I have a 2000 328ci and I'm running on 18 inch wheels with 255x35 tires all around. It's the coupe so it has factory sport suspension so it really is already decently kinda low but not very. I'm looking for some high quality lowering springs to lower it MAYBE maximum .75 to 1 inch. The h&r race springs seem alright but I'm not sure if I'll rub like crazy because of the wheel size. I'm just looking for a good performing set of springs that won't lower my car that much but just enough to get rid of wheel gap
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you don't want their "Race" version you would want the H&R "Sport". the "Race" are firmer and also drop more than the "Sport".
I had the H&R Sport with my Konis on my 2000 323Ci with VMR CSL 18" staggered wheels. it's just the right amount of drop from the factory sport springs in my humble opinion.
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What kind of nonsense is this.........?
I guess this is why everyone is granted an opinion.
I've been running the H&R Race #50484-88 springs for about 5 years now, they're a Fantastic Performance Lowering Spring.
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for a limited drop for a Coupe and amount he wants to go is exactly why
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for a limited drop for a Coupe and amount he wants to go is exactly why

Like I said,....everyone has an opinion.



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Old 03-31-2016, 08:35 PM   #11
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Like I said,....everyone has an opinion.
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sorry Rob you lost me here today, i don't understand what this is referring to.
about what his opinion is about what he wants/likes? or the spring rate and the drop?
because the drop is quantifiable and as such not an opinion.
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for a limited drop for a Coupe and amount he wants to go is exactly why
OP stated .75" to 1" drop. That is exactly in the range of what H&R Race springs will do to his car with sport suspension. They are really great springs and the amount of drop they give is over exaggerated in my opinion.
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Old 03-31-2016, 09:00 PM   #13
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OP stated .75" to 1" drop. That is exactly in the range of what H&R Race springs will do to his car with sport suspension. They are really great springs and the amount of drop they give is over exaggerated in my opinion.
i'm not saying they are bad.
but which of the two H&R line between Sport and Race lower more? (and also have a firmer spring rate). the Race version.
OP said he wanted that range as a Maximum. the H&R Sport are between the two and fit better to what he ask for. he's running 18" 255/35/18 and doesn't want it to rub. i'm not sure the model of tire, the width and offset of wheel but it's a much safer selection to go for the Sport than Race.
And the Race spring drop is not exactly in that range.
i'm just answering peoples questions. i'm not selling anything here or have a horse in this race.
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When you get different height springs, do you need to change the shock? One of these days I know my 310,000 mile spring will break (one did years ago), when I replace them, I might consider a minimal drop. I have a Sachs shock...would it 'drop down' and adjust? Would it wear out quicker?

Also...OP...when Alex and Rob disagree, it's fine to trust either or both! Check your wheel size more carefully and look here in 'wheels and tires' forum...someone will have tried nearly exactly what you're doing and know whether there's a risk of rubbing with the 'racing' vs. 'sport' spring in your tire size.

Please don't rub...I know you don't want to. But I've seen so many cut apart their cars here so they could eliminate that ugly gap or save the wrong wheels they bought...I get very sad when I see that. Fortunately my GF and her beagle are very comforting to me.
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When you get different height springs, do you need to change the shock? One of these days I know my 310,000 mile spring will break (one did years ago), when I replace them, I might consider a minimal drop. I have a Sachs shock...would it 'drop down' and adjust? Would it wear out quicker?

Also...OP...when Alex and Rob disagree, it's fine to trust either or both! Check your wheel size more carefully and look here in 'wheels and tires' forum...someone will have tried nearly exactly what you're doing and know whether there's a risk of rubbing with the 'racing' vs. 'sport' spring in your tire size.

Please don't rub...I know you don't want to. But I've seen so many cut apart their cars here so they could eliminate that ugly gap or save the wrong wheels they bought...I get very sad when I see that. Fortunately my GF and her beagle are very comforting to me.

Not sure if I really read you might want to lower you car a little bit. Hmmmm something is up.

With the roads I saw in NY and NJ...don't lol
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When you get different height springs, do you need to change the shock? One of these days I know my 310,000 mile spring will break (one did years ago), when I replace them, I might consider a minimal drop. I have a Sachs shock...would it 'drop down' and adjust? Would it wear out quicker?
That's my understanding, if you just swap in lowered stiffer springs on standard (esp old) dampers/shocks they will wear out faster.

On a similar vein, am I right in thinking that springs are good and maintain reasonable good function until they break?...... Unlike dampers which slowly lose their damping capabilities......
..... I have H&R cup kit, with 65k miles covered and 1 rear shock is kapuut. I was going to just swap all 4 shocks for one's of my choice (Koni or Bilsteins), the springs all look good, no cracks.
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With the roads I saw in NY and NJ...don't lol
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OP, curiously what did you decide ?



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