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Old 07-16-2017, 06:15 PM   #1
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Should I buy this touring? Help!

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/cto...218429311.html

Owner told me he has done the following:

The expansion tank, water pump, thermostat, and two of the coolant hoses were done about 20k ago

Serpentine belts and front control arm bushings were done right around the same mileage

Front brakes with pads and rotors and just rear pads about 4k ago

The miles are less worrisome than the price, anyone agree that $3500 for a 227k mile touring is too high? Interior is clean and I'm sure its a good car but KBB and others value it between 1800 and 2500 which seems about right to me. Any feedback is appreciated. And please don't go poach the car before I can buy it tomorrow! Haha...thanks!_a_
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Old 07-17-2017, 11:21 AM   #2
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Good price. It's a stick. Stick is worth a grand more than book value.
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Old 07-17-2017, 12:13 PM   #3
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If no other history than the ones mentioned, I'd say 2500-2600. Manual or not.
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Old 07-17-2017, 01:20 PM   #4
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KBB and other companies don't have a clue how to value a touring. I'd want to see pics of the interior, but if it's decent enough, and a PPI doesn't indicate any problems, it could be quite a steal. Depends upon any recent maintenance and interior condition.
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Old 07-17-2017, 01:39 PM   #5
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@Geo31. Can't figure how to get interior photos up but its pretty clean inside. You'd consider it a steal even at 3500? You saw it has 225+k I'm assuming. Thanks for replying.
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Old 07-17-2017, 10:12 PM   #6
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Looks like a solid deal. Get a PPI.
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Old 07-17-2017, 10:14 PM   #7
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For a RWD, manual touring in good shape? Yes, if you desire the car, then $3500 is a good deal, even with that mileage. If he has good maintenance records then I wouldn't hesitate if I was looking for one. I would be asking about possible oil consumption at that mileage though.
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Old 07-17-2017, 10:51 PM   #8
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Thanks for the replies...drove the car today and absolutely hated the transmission..ive read about the first gear being a bit "weak" if you will but it honestly felt like I was starting in third. I was hardly expecting a race car but this was a tired old dog. Tons of humpin and bumpin between first amd second, even as I adjusted to the clutch. Have never experienced such a turbulent trip thru a gearbox. I have no mechanical knowledge and have only owned a few cars but this thing just felt wrong. Perhaps a good buy for a bay area enthusiast looking for a project. Not the best driver in its current state. Interior was pretty clean and the exterior is nice.
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Old 07-17-2017, 10:53 PM   #9
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He has refreshed the ad with better photos if anyone is interested.
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Old 07-18-2017, 06:05 AM   #10
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Looks OK. Price is definitely reflective of condition. Has SP wheels, but no SP. That roof dent is BIG minus.
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Old 07-18-2017, 12:30 PM   #11
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He has refreshed the ad with better photos if anyone is interested.
And he already came down a couple hundred bucks on the price. Pretty sure if somebody goes there and shows a stack of 25 hundred dollar bills (or the equivalent of total amount in other bills ) in front of him, he'd take it.

Not sure what to say about your "tired old dog" experience, though. It does have a lot of miles and a 323 is not the fastest thing around (even when new), so...
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Old 07-18-2017, 03:33 PM   #12
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Wasnt expecting it to be fast, just to be an enjoyable ride. Which it wasn't! I wish I knew enough to diagnose what might have been up with it, but something just wasn't right. Made me pine for my lovely 1987 528e.
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Old 07-18-2017, 03:52 PM   #13
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cluster looks like from an automatic car (gear indicator box).. or this car use to be auto and converted to 5 speed..

https://images.craigslist.org/00C0C_...r_1200x900.jpg

also it comes with a mechanical fan but my 99 323i 7 years ago came with the same fan and its a 5 speed..

https://images.craigslist.org/00V0V_...9_1200x900.jpg

ask for the last 7 digit VIN and decode it.

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Old 07-18-2017, 08:24 PM   #14
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cluster looks like from an automatic car (gear indicator box).. or this car use to be auto and converted to 5 speed..

https://images.craigslist.org/00C0C_...r_1200x900.jpg

also it comes with a mechanical fan but my 99 323i 7 years ago came with the same fan and its a 5 speed..

https://images.craigslist.org/00V0V_...9_1200x900.jpg

ask for the last 7 digit VIN and decode it.
GOOD catch!

Run away! Well, unless you need a project car.
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Old 07-19-2017, 02:15 PM   #15
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Even with a trans swap it shouldn't be a dog off the line as the autos all came with the 3.46 rear the manual Tourings came with. A manual touring with the 3.46 rear is super responsive in first gear, but doesn't last long at all. Either the linkage is fubar (could you shift through 5 noticeably different forward gears?), or the rear is totally wrong for pairing with the manual trans. Either way, sounds like it needs a fair amount of loving to be correct and drive properly.

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Old 07-19-2017, 02:35 PM   #16
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Maybe it needs a VANOS rebuild? Bad VANOS seals will rob power and low end torque and potentially make the car feel like "tired old dog" as described by OP.
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Old 07-19-2017, 03:05 PM   #17
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After a bit of research, a bad vanos seems a likely culprit. Bogged down feeling under 3k rpm in gears 1-3, then an unexpected, unbalanced burst of power past 3k.
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Old 07-19-2017, 03:07 PM   #18
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But really I know I have no clue.
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Old 07-19-2017, 08:43 PM   #19
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Wayyyyyyyyy too much, for way too many miles.
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