im trying to convince my dad to get an M3 instead of a 1999 911. what are some good points about M3 like reliablity, handling, etc. (not against a 911) just points for getting M3
tell him that 911 have rear seal issues up untill 2000 so be very cautious its big dough to get repaired other than tell him he could fit 4 people in a m3geoff2005 said:im trying to convince my dad to get an M3 instead of a 1999 911. what are some good points about M3 like reliablity, handling, etc. (not against a 911) just points for getting M3
nah its 996 so that y its the older model and its just 911 no turbo or SIrrenarzt said:Tell him to get the 997S. Why would he want an M3 if he could afford the 997?
geoff2005 said:im trying to convince my dad to get an M3 instead of a 1999 911. what are some good points about M3 like reliablity, handling, etc. (not against a 911) just points for getting M3
m3cabro said:tell him that 911 have rear seal issues up untill 2000 so be very cautious its big dough to get repaired other than tell him he could fit 4 people in a m3
I don't think they've solved it yet. My friend's '05 GT3 had the same issue early on.m3cabro said:tell him that 911 have rear seal issues up untill 2000 so be very cautious its big dough to get repaired other than tell him he could fit 4 people in a m3
Porsche drivers don't fly down the freeway, because they are generally more mature and race on tracks... Porsche are pure race cars, not like a sporty / GT car like our M3's... These type of comments shows just how you are so blinded by owner biase - if you indeed own a M3.KST67 said:My dad had a Porsche and it bottomed out at every little bump. I think speed bumps along would damge the thing.
There must be something seriously wrong with your dad's car...
Porsche is also a car for dentists and bald guys.
Dentists and older people in general drive Porsches because they can afford them.
I don't think they're reputation is so great. And when you drive a Porsche lthen it's like, ah, couldn't afford a Ferrari. Unless you really love the car when you drive it then great.
Reputation is not so great???? Are you smoke dope?... Porsche has one of the best racing/car reputation/heritage in the world... When you drive a Porsche, you can't afford a Ferrari, is like saying you drive a BMW because you can't afford a Porsche... Last time I checked, the M3 is cheaper than the least expensive 911 and around the same price as the base Boxster...I bought my M3 cause it fitted my need for space, otherwise a 911 would have been my 1st choice..
Also, I never see Porsche drivers driving fast (or Vette drivers). They baby their cars. But I see BMWs of all kinds always whizzing down the freeway. Why is that? Are Porsches just not fun to drive? Do they not beg to be tested? My M3 craves to be run fast. It's like a puppy dog wanting attention.
IIRC, the GT-3, GT-2, and 911 Turbo don't have the leaking RMS because their motors are different (true dry sumped).Greg W / Oregon said:I don't think they've solved it yet. My friend's '05 GT3 had the same issue early on.
bosch88 said:Porsche drivers don't fly down the freeway, because they are generally more mature and race on tracks... Porsche are pure race cars, not like a sporty / GT car like our M3's... These type of comments shows just how you are so blinded by owner biase - if you indeed own a M3.
Porsche 911 is a classic design, a 10 year old Porsche still turns heads and still gets compliments... once the E92 M3 comes out, the current M3 will be very dated...
Sure Porsche 911's have the RMS problem, but the S54 engines blew up... so what's better? Porsche 911's have and always will have way better resale values than BMW's...
Both cars are great cars... but for you to put down one of the best recognized sports brand/car in the world is silly and shows how little you know about Porsches...
I'd say it was more due to the 996 being Porsches first water-cooled 911 and sharing common pieces w/ the Boxster. The 993 seem to have held up very well in value and in some cases, gone up in value.Smoltz said:And as far as depreciation goes, although previous generations have held their value well, the 996 is a dog due to "overproduction."
Here's the bit of irony: Porsche ranks second behind Lexus in JD Power's 3-year Vehicle Dependability Study (VDS) -- not to be confused w/ their 90-day Initial Quality Study (IQS). Of course, BMW has a wider range of vehicles than Porsche so take it FWIW.As far as RMS vs Bearing problems. I think we can both agree that neither of these cars represent toyota like reliability, but the bearing issue has been solved and BMW stepped up to the plate on an extended warranty. The RMS leak has yet to be fixed and Porsche only offers warranty repair on the item on a case-by-case basis. All of that being said, the RMS leak is blown sooo far out of porportion it's silly. Especially when comparing repair cost as opposed to rod bearing failure/replacement.
yeah we are talking about regular ones but somebody brought up turboKST67 said:Big difference. Yes the Turbo 911 is an awesome car, but not the regular ones. I thought we were talking about the regular ones. But the Turbo is more of an afficianados car. I think if you own one of those you enjoy driving. But not the others. They are boring if you ask me.
non turbo and not S just 911m28 said:911 no turbo or S?
m3 is better in this case
bosch88 said:Porsche drivers don't fly down the freeway, because they are generally more mature and race on tracks... Porsche are pure race cars, not like a sporty / GT car like our M3's... These type of comments shows just how you are so blinded by owner biase - if you indeed own a M3.
Porsche 911 is a classic design, a 10 year old Porsche still turns heads and still gets compliments... once the E92 M3 comes out, the current M3 will be very dated...
Sure Porsche 911's have the RMS problem, but the S54 engines blew up... so what's better? Porsche 911's have and always will have way better resale values than BMW's...
Both cars are great cars... but for you to put down one of the best recognized sports brand/car in the world is silly and shows how little you know about Porsches...
sorry i dont agreescmgoblue said:I have to agree......
I agree with you about the shared parts with the boxster and cost cutting, but I think that those are what enabled Porsche to be able to produce so many cars, and flood the market. Yeah like I said, generations previous to the 996 have done very well. In fact I think that 993 values are slighly up compared to 00/01 timeframe. I think it will be interesting to see how 997 valuesMichael-Dallas said:I'd say it was more due to the 996 being Porsches first water-cooled 911 and sharing common pieces w/ the Boxster. The 993 seem to have held up very well in value and in some cases, gone up in value.
Here's the bit of irony: Porsche ranks second behind Lexus in JD Power's 3-year Vehicle Dependability Study (VDS) -- not to be confused w/ their 90-day Initial Quality Study (IQS). Of course, BMW has a wider range of vehicles than Porsche so take it FWIW.
///Michael.