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Fuel Pump Failure Epidemic 2012

So I have been around this forum and many of the other BMW forums and what seems to be a reoccurring theme is after about 7 years is most of the E38, E39, E46 and other similar vintage BMW's not newer than 2006 are have failing fuel pumps at a very high rate. Probably a rate of about 100%, as I say its not if, but when! 5 years later in 2017 fuel pump failures are still happening and probably at a higher rate due to the age on run hours as the E46 is not getting very old and almost to the point of beyond maintenance and actually at the point of restoration.

So a word to the VERY wise, if you have a spare $150 or so and a couple of hours, order yourself a replacement fuel pump, new fuel pump relay and fuel filter and replace them as a PM item.

Here is one good example of someone that mentioned his "Micro sample of 4 E46's" all seemed to have fuel pump failures between 70-140k miles. Note that mileage is really not a complete indicator for fuel pump lifespan, run hours are what matters, but this is hard to capture. Also keep in mind, in general terms the fuel pumps just plain wear out. A fuel pump that has 70-100k miles is likely over half way worn out. When will it fail, this is anyone's guess. Usually when it is very cold or you least expect it to fail! This thread also has some good pictures: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/bmw-3-series-e46-1999-2005/712384-e46-fuel-pump-failure.html

There are really 2 typical fuel pump related failures, but there can also be some more minor pump related problems where the fuel system will drop too much static pressure when the pump is not running. The static pressure drop can usually be caused by one or more of the following: Leaking fuel pump output check valve, Leaking fuel pressure regulator, Leaking fuel injectors (rather rare), or a basic fuel leak due to hard injector O-rings, a loose or damaged flexible hose connection or possibly even a leaking valve a the fuel pressure test point.

One case is where the fuel pump hard fails and does not provide any fuel to the engine at all. This is a pretty cut & dry situation where the problem is rather obvious. A quick and inexpensive way to determine if you are have fuel supply problems is to purchase a $3 can of starting fluid, remove the air filter and give a good, solid, 2 second shot of starting fluid into the intake path/MAF inlet. Then try to start the engine, if the engine starts then almost immediately dies, then you could repeat the starting fluid process, but more than likely the starting fluid test has confirmed you have fuel supply problem. This will most likely be due to a hard failed fuel pump, but it is worth checking the fuses and possibly switch the horn and fuel pump relay just to rule these out as causes of your no start problem. In a bind you can often get the fuel pump restarted with a number of good smacks on the bottom of the fuel tank on the passenger side. If this does not work, you could remove the rear seat bottom and the fuel pump access cover on the right side of the car and use the butt of a hammer to whack on the top of the fuel sending unit. Be careful not to hit the connector, wiring or the output connection where the fuel line is connected. If you are LUCKY, you could get the pump to start again and maybe make it to your destination.

Another failure mode is a soft fail fuel pump that fails to put out enough pressure and/or fuel volume. These are far harder to identify and symptoms may appear to be intermittent or very minor. In some instances the problems may not even seem fuel related. Surging, poor acceleration, possible lean codes, extended cranking when starting, running out of fuel when the gas gauge shows 1/4 of a tank. Soft fail fuel pumps are not really worth diagnosing in my opinion. For the price of the pump and how easy it is to install, I would just plan on replacing your pump if it is more than 7 years old and you have unidentified driveability problems.

In addition to the pump being a problem, fuel filters are very often neglected and over looked and can cause similar issues to a soft failed fuel pump. Please carefully read the following information on fuel filters below.

SPECIAL NOTE ON FUEL FILTERS - since the early 80's fuel filters have much finer filter elements and will catch far smaller particles to protect the fuel injectors. Although many cars have large fuel filters and manufactures claim the filters can be changed every 50-60k miles or are even considered "Lifetime", based upon field observations, I would HIGHLY suggest replacing your fuel filter every 30-50k miles. If you open up any of these filters after 25k miles, they are often caked with a very fine black film. This black film builds up and starts to restrict fuel volume and pressure and can cause unusual engine performance issues. From years of monitoring Forums and my own observations, it seems that many of fuel filters with the black film seem to be cars from the East Coast or North East corridor of the US. This may be due the age of the storage tanks both for the distribution network and the in ground tanks at the local gas station. While this thread is primarily focused on fuel pumps and fuel pump failures, PLEASE understand that replacing the fuel filter is an assumed maintenance item. I do not recall seeing specified service interval from BMW for these fuel filters, they may consider them "Lifetime", but I would HIGHLY suggest you consider changing them every 30-50k miles to be on the safe side.

While checking and replacing the fuel filter, also carefully check and replace the fuel pressure regulator hoses and the "F" fitting in the upper intake boot as any vacuum leaks in these hoses and fittings can also contribute to Lean conditions possibly leading to the CEL lighting. Please note that this "hose" that is connected from the F connector in the upper intake boot and to the fuel pressure regulator on the majority of these cars is NOT a vacuum hose. This hose typically does not have manifold vacuum for most models, this "hose" is nothing more than a filtered Atmospheric reference for the fuel pressure regulator. For most of these models, if you present manifold vacuum to the fuel pressure regulator, the fuel pressure will be reduced by approximately 10 PSI at idle and will lead to driveability problems and Lean codes.

What seems to be happening a lot lately is folks are not replacing their fuel pumps as a PM item, they are getting stranded, requiring tow jobs and/or dealer or rush fuel pumps to be purchased of up to $400+. Some even have to pay for the install as they do not have the tools on hand or the time.

These pumps are very easy to replace, only need a few basic tools and you do not even need to get under the car. Even if you buy the pump and do not get it installed, keep it in the trunk with the tools to change it and a copy of a DIY until you get around to actually installing it.

It is almost as easy as changing a tire!

So these fuel pumps are kind of like death, taxes and the cooling system.

As the Nike commercial says, "Just Do It!"

Your wife, kids, girl, buddies, employer, wallet and your schedule will all appreciate a PM fuel pump job.

www.bmaparts.com seems to have the best pricing on the fuel pump, not sure about the relay and filter?

I think there is also an online discount code that may still be good, something like SpecE30?? If I find it, I will edit this post with the discount code, but I do not guarantee it will work.

UPDATE: The BMA online discount code is SpecE30. Reports are the replacement pump is under $108 with free shipping. NOTE: As of Aug 2012 it appears the pump prices may have increased slightly to closer to $120?? As we are 5 years after this thread was originally written, the Simens/VDO fuel pump and sender assembly has gone up in price, as of mid 2017 the typical going price is around $145.

To help out people that are in fact in a bind and stranded, many of the local auto parts stores are reboxing and offering the Siemens/VDO pumps but they tend to be more expense that you could proactively purchase the part online when you are not stranded. Any example is this thread where it was found that the part was reboxed for a local suppler - https://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=1130362

Members here have had decent luck with Bosch branded fuel pump and sending unit assemblies.

A note about purchasing very low cost fuel pump sending unit assemblies, recently a number of members have purchased from Amazon or ebay pump and sending unit assemblies for as low as $50 and installed these as PM replacements for the original working fuel pump and have quickly found themselves stranded or with driveability problems. Just use your head, how do you justify a fuel pump sending unit assembly that is the cost of the typical fuel filter for these cars that has effectively no moving parts, not electrical components and no wiring. Think about it before you decide to be penny wise and pound foolish and trying to spend less that you would expect for a quality part. I DO NOT suggest you even consider spending less that $140 for a name brand part, this still does not rule out that you could still end up with a counterfeit item. Make sure you are buying parts form a reliable source and supplier. When something is too good to be true there is usually a reason.

Note about soft failures on the fuel pump

Some of the fuel pumps are soft failing. This means they work and you do not have issues starting your car, but they can cause intermittent hesitation, misfiring, stalling as well as problems running out of fuel when the tank is about 1/4 full. This is due to low pressure and/or volume causing the siphon or suction jet pump that transfers fuel from one side of the tank to the pump side to not transfer fuel correctly. What happens is you still have fuel in the non electric pump side, but the electric pump side runs out of fuel. This usually happens with 1/4 of fuel showing on the gauge. The hesitation, misfiring and stalling is usually again to low pressure and/or volume from a weak fuel pump. Many have recently replaced their fuel pump & filter as preventative and found that they have crisper throttle response, better overall acceleration and sometimes a small inprovement in fuel economy, which was not noticed until the pump and filter were replaced. So there may in fact be some hidden benefits to preventatively replacing your fuel pump and filter.

Most of the soft failures are due to severely worn brushes and commutator and/or wear in the actual pumping section of the fuel pump. Think about this analogy. Fuel pump brushes and the commutator are like brake pads and the rotor. The difference is the pump brushes are under constant spring tension on the commutator, it is like you driving the car with the brakes partially applied. Brush and commutator wear is part of the normal operation of a typical DC brush fuel pump, therefore the fuel pump is consumable, similar to a starter motor, but the starter motor is not running the entire time the engine is running.

There is a lot of mis-information from fuel pump suppliers and multiple Internet sources about running the fuel level low in the fuel tank, this information is pretty much garbage. Same hold true for fuel contamination. When you are talking about any fuel pump that is failing beyond the warranty and/or after 8-10 years, these are all failing due to them being worn out. Pump run hours is the main factor in pump lifespan, not vehicle mileage.

Contaminated fuel could damage a fuel pump, most contamination is due to water. But for the most part if the fuel is significantly the engine will run very poorly or not run at all. Once the contaminated fuel is removed and/or diluted with fresh fuel, there is little chance this will cause an imminent fuel pump failure. But if the fuel pump is over 8-10 years old, it would be wise to replace the pump at that point in time.

Some people prefer to wait and replace the fuel pump when if fails, the problem is unlike a dead battery you cannot always get the car started with little time and effort and get the car to a place where you can get it repaired quickly and easily. You cannot always find a fuel pump 7 days a weeks and at most local corner stores. So a fuel pump failure can and will cost you a lot more time and money than say a weak or dead battery.


Fuel Pressure & Volume Testing

From the Bentley manual, following are fuel pressure and volume specs for anyone that happens to have a fuel pressure gauge handy and wants to test either the fuel pressure and/or volume. I have not tried this trick, but some have stated that you can use a regular tire pressure gauge to measure fuel pressure in a pinch. BE CAREFUL DUE TO FUEL SPRAY AND FIRE/BURN HAZZARD!!!

Note on most E46 except the M3 the fuel pressure tap or test point (Schraeder valve) is located on the front of the fuel rail under the upper fuel rail/engine cover. This upper fuel rail/engine cover will need to be removed to access this fuel pressure tap or test point.

On the E46 M3, the fuel pressure tap or test point (Schraeder valve) is located on the fuel pressure regulator block, under the drivers side floor board near the fuel filter.

On SULEV vehicles, I have not done a thorough investigation, however, expect the unexpected with these cars. These cars have the stainless steel fuel tank with the sealed fuel pump. This pump actually has 15 year/150k mile warranty and cannot be serviced without replacing the entire fuel tank assembly which I have heard is in excess of $6000!!! Note to self, if you have a SULEV car sell it before 14 years / 140k miles.

Fuel Pressure Specs Per Bentley
All engines except the S54 3.2L M3 - Fuel pressure 3.5 +/- 0.2 bar or 50.76 +/- 2.9 PSI
Residual fuel pressure after 20 minutes - Fuel pressure >3 bar or >43.51 PSI

Additional note/clairfication for the M52 (323/328 models). These models may utilize a manifold vacuum controlled fuel pressure regulator unlike the M54 (320/325/330 models). Bentley did not properly or clearly outline how to test the fuel pressure on the M52 (323/328 models) from my perspective. For the M52 (323/328 models) the 3.5 +/- 0.2 bar or 50.76 +/- 2.9 PSI fuel pressure is the stated spec, however, I would suggest checking the pressure with the vacuum line to the Fuel Pressure Regulator BOTH connected and disconnected. If the fuel pressure is tested with the engine running AND the fuel pressure regulator vacuum hose connected, the fuel pressure could be approximately 2.8 bar or 40 PSI IF the fuel pressure is actually vacuum controlled. Please make note of this clarification and report what behavior you see with the 323/328 models.

Unfortunately I do not have ready access for many 323/328's to verify if there is any vacuum present at the FPR. The 323 FPR hose is connected to the main body side port of the CCV and I know in a number of cases if there is vacuum present at the CCV main body side port. Not sure if this is with a good CCV or a failing CCV, but any sort of vacuum presented to a FPR will lower the fuel pressure even if it is a FPR that is designed just to have atmospheric reference like the 325/330 models. Might as well check this while you are under the hood checking the fuel pressure on the 323/328.

S54 3.2L M3 - Fuel pressure 5.0 +/- 0.2 bar or 72.5 +/- 2.9 PSI
Residual fuel pressure after 20 minutes - Fuel pressure >4.5 bar or >62.2 PSI

Fuel Volume Specs
All engines 1.12 liter (1.16 qt) for 30 seconds at 12 Volts or while crank


If your car dies on you with 1/4 of fuel, you can sometimes get it started again by adding a few gallons of fuel. But beware you will again likely run out again once the gauge shows 1/4 tank. This may get you going if you are stranded and buy you a bit of time so you can shop your parts and DIY the pump. If you access the Hidden OBC menu (Hidden OBC Menu - Check Voltage, Temp, Fuel Level - https://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=239619) you will be able to check the fuel levels in each side of the fuel tank. Note that most all BMW's have a kidney shaped fuel tank with 2 separate fuel level sensors and 2 fuel pumps, siphon/passive pump the drivers side (Left side), which rarely fails, and the primary electric pump on the the passenger side (Right side).

The way these BMW kidney shaped fuel tanks function with the 2 fuel pumps is as follows:

The electric fuel pump on the right side of the tank is constantly running and excess fuel is returned from the fuel filter/regulator back to the left side of the fuel tank. When the fuel enters the left side of the fuel tank if passes through the passive siphon pump and transfers fuel from the left side to the right side of the fuel tank. Once the fuel level drops below about 1/2 tank the left side of the tank quickly drains and all the fuel is kept in the right side of the tank. If you access the Hidden OBC menu you will be able to see the fuel transfer behavior and if you see the fuel level in the left side of the tank higher than the right side of the tank once stabilized, it is likely indicating a soft fail fuel pump. But also note there are also fuel level sending unit failures that can also show similar behaviors. Best to get to know your cars total average range using the trip odometer and then use this along with fuel level to determine when you may have to refuel and/or have a potential problem cropping up.

It is feasible that a bad, intermittent or dirty fuel level sender could lead to incorrect fuel level readings and the car to run out of fuel while the gauge still indicates fuel is in the tank, this is a rather rare situation. If you are tracking your distance driven per tank, you should realize quickly you are exceeding the typical distance per tank you would normally drive. From my experience to date, I have not seen many sending unit failures and usually the sending unit failures or the few instances a sending unit float gets fuel saturated, the sending unit usually under reports the fuel level rather than over reports the fuel level. Here is a good link with pictures of both sending units removed from the tank.

https://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=738747

As for actual fuel pump failures, there are many myths and ideas as to why and how the pumps fail. Also suggestions that the pumps are overheating due to running the tank low on fuel for extended times and possibly the pump drawing air from time to time. But I can say most of these suggestions are mostly myths. The fuel pump is a DC brush motor that is constantly running and circulating cool fuel. The failures of these pumps really have nothing to do with overheating but simple brush and commutator wear just like a starter motor for an engine. What is typically happening is the brush fail to make proper connection with commutator and fail to start. Most of the fuel pump failures tend to happen after the car is shut down, there appears to be a very low percentage of failures while driving.


Also a few helpful hints on fuel pump replacement -

1. Wiring Connector
Many people new to BMW's or German cars may not understand how to release the wiring from the fuel senders. The connectors have a slide release that is a bit tricky but will be clear once you study it for a moment.

See attached pictures of the wiring connector up close both "latched" and "unlatched"

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Pictures courtesy of Frank_E46


2. Make sure you install the gasket on the fuel tank opening lip and not the sending unit
. When you remove the sending unit, the round gasket may come out stuck on the sending unit or you may partially pull the gasket out of the tank when removing the sending unit/fuel pump assembly, however, you need to install the gasket on the fuel tank lip before reinstalling the sending unit/fuel pump assembly, there is a small grove in the side of the gasket that goes around the inside lip of the fuel tank opening. What I actually do is install the sender with the gasket loose on the sender, then once the float is inside the tank, I then put the gasket on the tank lip before seating the sending unit. Also be VERY careful to install the gasket the gasket in the correct orientation when you install it on the edge of the fuel tank. This gasket is asymmetrical and should only be installed in the proper orientation. I believe there is the word "TOP or UP" embossed in the fuel sender gasket. If you install the gasket upside down you will have a fuel leak. Fuel leaks will only likely occur at 3/4 tank or higher. Once below 3/4 tank, you will likely not have any leakage.

If this gasket is not installed properly you may have also have Evap codes triggering as well as anything from a large fuel leak, to just a heavy odor of gasoline.

So be warned, make sure you note the orientation of the fuel sender gasket when you remove the sending unit/fuel pump assembly and reinstall the gasket in the correct orientation and make sure the gasket is fitted inside the tank opening and groove in the side of the gasket is installed on the edge of the fuel tank opening.

3. Fuel level can be an issue. If you are 3/4 tank or below you are in pretty good shape, but if you just filled up and need to change the fuel pump, you will have a problem with fuel spilling out of the tank onto the top of the tank and the driveway or asphalt below. Remember gasoline is not only flammable, it can soften asphalt and be an issue if you happen to be indoors. It is apparently very hard if not impossible to siphon fuel from the tank via the fill pipe, so be forewarned and this may be another good reason to proactively replace your pump on your schedule and not the cars schedule!

4. Be careful about residual fuel pressure in the fuel line before changing the fuel pump or filter. If your pump failed and your car will not start, you likely will not need worry about residual fuel pressure, however, if the car still runs and you plan on changing either the fuel pump or fuel filter, it is wise to remove the fuel pump fuse, start the car and let it idle until it dies. If you plan on removing the fuel pump, you can disconnect the wiring connector to the right side fuel sender and start the engine and let it run until it dies. NOTE, if yo disconnect the fuel sender, you may end up with some trouble codes for the fuel sender and you fuel level and mileage figures may be WAY off until you fill the fuel tank. The trouble codes will not likely show up with a standard ODB scanner, however, INPA, SSS or BMW Scanner may read these errors. Just make a note if you do run the engine with the fuel sender disconnected in case you see any codes, you likely forced them to be triggered. This is way you can pull the fuel filter or pump without a high pressure spray of gasoline. You will still likely get some fuel leakage, but hopefully not under pressure. It might also be wise to remove the fuel filler cap to also release any residual pressure in the fuel tank, but suggest you reinstall the cap before removing the fuel sender/pump combo.

Additionally I have no hard data, but it appears the 2002 and newer cars may have more of an issue with the pump life as compared to the very early E46's? Also case in point, many of the newer turbo BMW 3 series have had a series of fuel pump failures while most of these cars were still under warranty. So just making the comment that the pump design can possibly influence life expectancy.

Do not say you have not been warned!

Denial is not an option, as you will get a rude dose of reality.

Wanted to update this thread with some failure mode information.

These fuel pumps are all dying due to worn brushes and commutators, very little to do with contaminated fuel. Fuel contamination can accelerate fuel pump wear, however, the fuel sock is actually very fine and will trap or block all but the smallest particles from entering the fuel pump. Additionally almost every "fuel pump" at your local gas station has a large inline fuel filter that looks like a large canister oil filter. These filters trap quite a bit of debris that may be in the gas station in ground tanks or distribution lines. The fuel pump is a standard 2 pole/brush DC brush motor and the brushes and commutator wear out, probably faster than they should. This may be partially due to changes in fuel or fuel additives, but who knows for sure.

I took apart the pump that failed in my E46 at approximately 9 years with 84k miles. The brushes were shot and the commutator was HEAVILY worn. One brush was worn all the way to the copper stranded wire that is embedded in the end of the brush, about 1/2 way more worn than the other brush. I am guessing that the brushes were worn down by over 3/4 of their original length. Not sure if the uneven brush wear was due to the way the pump is angled in the sending unit or why this happened. In addition to SEVERE brush wear, the commutator was unbelievably worn, probably over 0.110" of wear or almost 1/8" diameter of the commutator was gone!

All the worn commutator copper and brush carbon is probably part of what ends up in the fuel filter and may be some of the black color that many find when changing the fuel filter.

On to fuel pump longevity.

Overall vehicle mileage or age has VERY little to do with the pump life expectancy. Keep in mind for every second the engine is running, the fuel pump is running as well, or just slightly longer if you consider the fuel pump priming. Pump run hours and the total number of pump rotations is what actually determines when the pump will fail.

It is assumed the pump life is around 5000-6000+ run hours, but this does not seem to match up very well with the failures we are hearing about. You could possibly tie this run time to mileage, bit is VERY hard and not very accurate. I am sure someone may challenge my info here that may be a Product Engineer with system life expectancy calculations. All that being great, but I think there is enough real world data to show that the majority of these fuel pumps are lasting around 4000-5000 run hours. Maybe the design life was longer, who knows. But the failure rate is pretty high over the past few years for E46 fuel pumps.

Estimating fuel pump life expectancy, you typically have 2 primary kinds of vehicle usage. There may be some middle ground, but the middle ground is based on the 2 primary vehicle usage profiles. Highway Warriors that can put 20+k miles on the car a year and the Urban Dweller that might only get 12k miles or less on the car a year seem to make up the main building blocks of vehicle usage.

My E46 is clearly an Urban Dweller. It probably averages about 90 minutes a day driving, possibly a bit less. The fuel pump in my E46 failed around 84k miles as I recall at around year 9. Doing the math, 90 mins x 365 days x 9 years/60 (mins in an hour) = 4927.5 run hours on the fuel pump! Notice I did not factor mileage in the equation at all because mileage has little to no bearing on the run hours. If I was to calculate the Average MPH over the 884k miles, with the data above, this works out to 17 MPH average speed for the life of the vehicle. I think in reality using the Trip Odometer most of the time, the Average MPH was usually around 22 MPH for the type of driving the car sees weekly. 22 MPH Average Speed may actually be yielding more along the lines of closer to 4000 hours of run time, which in the big scheme of things in NOT very reliable and not a very long life expectancy for a fuel pump.

I think most observant people would see a Highway Warrior could clock up far more miles in the same 5k hours if the cars speed was averaging 30-40+ MPH rather than the 20-22 MPH that my E46 would run.

So for instance, a real world situation I deal with weekly is I have a trip during the worst part of the day for traffic. I drive 12 miles and it takes me 1 hour. So this means I am averaging 12 MPH for this trip! Not very good a all and remember for each trip like this, I am adding 1 hour of run time on the fuel pump as well as other parts of the vehicle to go only 12 miles!

For the person that had a garage queen that is 10+ years old and has 50k miles on it, I would expect the pump to have a fair amount of life left because the pump probably has not seen a higher value of run hours.

There is some thought based on discussions that the earlier fuel pumps, pre- 2001 may last longer than the 2001-2006 fuel pumps. Not sure this has been proven with hard data, but this is a theory that is circulating around a bit.

But I think in general the fuel pumps in these cars should be replaced around year 8-9 if you expect to have reliable transportation. Some may disagree, just update the forum when your pump fails and you are left stranded. It is just a matter of time.

Links below to pictures of failed fuel pumps cut open showing the worn brushes and commutator. In both of these cases, the fuel pumps would not run on morning vehicle starts. You can see how thin the one brushes is where the copper braided wire was running on the commutator and also notice how severely worn the commutator is on both fuel pumps. The commutator material is worn over 1/8".

Fuel pump from a 2006 E46 with 84k miles that was used as a city commuter car that would never average more than 20 MPH per tank of fuel cut open to show worn brushes and commutator -

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/tdx5kech2h6mvha/AADAzsixZq5PcF63WsRmk2Pxa?dl=0

Fuel pump from an original owner 2000 E46 with 155k miles that was used for a primary car for the first 10 years of if the cars life, then the last 7 years this was a secondary back up car with very little miles put on it. Point is this car probably encounters close to 14k+ miles per year annually, mostly highway driving/commuting. So expect the fuel pump run hours to be about similar to the fuel pump above.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kh9u9n9i8rwklg8/AACwHq0lMDRoDMKKp3wNpu5Za?dl=0


A lower hour/mileage pump that was pulled from a parts car. Probably only a few years on this fuel pump. Note the minimal armature wear when compared to the failed pumps.

https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/share/UsrpMxsDwZ1Wd4QRrxSjPgvy3QymuKhAnz1Bw9kbjub


Also a very interesting testing case and analysis of fuel pump life and impact of different fuels. Interesting that brush and commutator wear appears to be greater with gasoline than with E10 or E20 blends.

http://www.agweb.com/assets/import/files/e20endurance.pdf


Regarding all of the claims of not running the vehicle below 1/4 tank for fuel pump cooling, this is pretty much a bunch of BS. Most all modern electric fuel pumps have the fuel volume of fuel passing directly through the center of the fuel pump which actually bathes the commutator, brushes and bushings in fuel. So as long as the fuel pump has a supply of fuel, it is being cooled. Additionally I have yet to see a high mileage heat related fuel pump failure. I have cut MANY fuel pumps open for inspection and the majority of the BMW/German design fuel pumps that have failed had SIGNIFICANT commutator and brush wear and it was clear this commutator and brush wear was the root cause of the pump failure.

DC brush motors are CONSUMABLE and they have a designed or finite lifespan. Maybe they should be lasting longer than what we are seeing here in the real world, but like anything, the real world is what we all face on a daily basis. I think the side commutator/brush design pumps may wear faster than the end commutator/brush design fuel pumps.

Should listen closely from the 9 minute mark. I think the Airtex Director of Engineering should be a pretty reliable source. Far more knowledgeable the majority of "expert" mechanics which I have met VERY few of.

What is interesting is if you watch the video and listen to the discussion regarding the pump commutator and the overall issue of wear concerns, there is NO mention of motor brush wear. It may be due to the DESIGN of the end based commutator and the way the brushes ride on the end commutator. I expect that the end commutator/brush design is far more robust when compared to the side side commutator/brush design that the E46 and many other BMW and other German model vehicles use. There may be material differences as well when compared to the BMW/German design.

But for the BMW pumps that I have cut open, they ALL have significant brush and commutator wear and I have not found much problem with the actual pumping portion of the pumps, more often than not the pumps slow down due to commutator and brush wear and also fail to start due to extreme commutator and brush wear just like a worn starter motor that have have personally rebuilt hundreds of over the years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piOzN1tZI_E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMVvuME22M0&feature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbzEeWy1b3o
 
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#126 ·
I'm at 155k with original pump but ordered a new one through bmwa jic this one decides to kick the bucket when I'm at work.
Quick question I had my alternator fixed a year ago cause it died on me do they also change the voltage regulator as well or is that something different? Cause if they didn't so I can order it. Thanks
 
#127 ·
Your are a wise man!

As for your alternator, it appears that most of the problems are regulator/brush problems depending on the version of alternator. If it was repaired a while back, I would assume this was resolved?

The alternator usually will give you some notice or warning if it goes, you can usually jump start or roll start your car to get going, but when the fuel pump goes, it puts you in tennis shoe mode immediately either due to a soft fail and running out of gas with 1/4 left, or quitting all together when you least expect it.
 
#129 ·
It being the fuel pump or the Voltage regulator?

Fuel pump would be easier to determine than the Voltage regulator.
 
#130 ·
I replaced my fuel pump on sat, snag I have to say I did notice an improvement with the hot weather and my car seeming to hesitate like the ac was on , even when it was not...the new pump cut out alot of that and I got to say its the best 120 I spent on this car !

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#131 ·
aeorozco,

Did you replace the pump as a preventive measure or were you left stranded?

Glad your hesitation seems to have improved, seems another symptom of the "soft fail"?

Thanks for updating your experience, make sure you get your filter changed as well if you have not replaced it in a long time.
 
#132 ·
My misfire problem turned out to be a bad coil, yes a brand new coil was bad!

I bought the BavAuto (Bavarian Autosport) High-Performance Ignition Coil Set to replace my coils just for preventative maintenance and it turned out that was causing the misfire. I called them up and told them and they are shipping me one new one free but I'm already out 7 hours of labor and had to buy one OEM coil to throw on there so I could drive the car.

Over 300 miles later no CEL, no misfires and car running perfectly. I'm tempted to leave the OEM coil on and not mess with anything now.
 
#148 ·
since nobody answered i will answer my own ?-s having just completed the replacement.

my fuel tank was 1/2 full and still the gas was "right there", so I would not do it on full tank.

Used new clamp

Fuel gauge seems to be working correctly after replacement

Rubber ring was a pain to install and kept sliding off and definitely needs to go on the tank first and not on the pump

DIY is on youtube, search for "e46 fuel pump", all you need.
 
#135 ·
OH MAN. I might be trolling. . . How about when someone asks a question thats already been answered IGNORE THEM!!! How much you wanna bet that at some point this week someone is going to post. . . "HELP CAR WON'T START!! I NEED HELP!" No offense to you mango. . . But your enabling them to be lazy. But I do enjoy reading these threads because they last soooo long.
p.s. Original pump 91k. Not too worried right now either. Car has been sitting on jack stands waiting for a flex disk for over a week. and BOOM there was a shop 10 min from me that keep em in stock. . . Saving that number. For those in New England, instead of paying overnight shipping prices, Check out CPI, car parts international. They don't advertise to the public, they serve mostly dealers and shops, but more than happy to satisfy your euro car needs. I have fallen in love anew. :clap:
 
#136 ·
OH YEA!!! If you have had a problem, created a thread, and received input that helped you solve the problem. . . PLEASE go ahead and state what you did to fix it. What was the root cause and thank the people that helped you get there. Even if you had a shop do the work. State how much it cost you and what they charged you for. For those that aren't DIYers it could help them know how much it cost to get it fixed and telling a shop what to fix rather than paying them to figure it out, i would imagine, costs a hell of a lot more.
 
#142 ·
Well, the bad news - HPFP for 760 costs $2000 (bmwmercedesparts.com). So ###ing expensive! The good news - it is not 7k. Labor can't cost 5k, this is for sure.

Note to myself: stay away from these 'luxury' junk, no wonder they depreciate so fast.
 
#150 · (Edited)
found TKC's thread from a while back, should still be applicable today.

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=592414&highlight=

Subcribed for later use. I think I'm showing signs of fuel pump failure. I haven't driven it much lately and I started it this past weekend and the car was idling rough and was shaking for a few minutes. It settled down after a while and eventually had a smooth idle and was back to normal. CPS, intake boot, CCV unit, and fuel filter have been replaced and are fairly new(less that 30k miles of use) so looks like my fuel pump is right on schedule. Thanks for the post OP.
 
#147 · (Edited)
Even if so, still not even close to 7k. Simple math 2k + 2k = 4k. 7k - 4k = 3k for nothing. Again, the labor cant cost 3k.
And I highly doubt that both HFPF are out: stealer is just lazy to test which one is failing and it is easier for him to replace both 'just in case'. Plus, good profit. That is why they are called 'stealers'.
 
#149 ·
CokMinus - JFOJ that Mango refers to is the first link below in my signature. Make sure you are using a computer and not a phone to read these messages as you will not see the signatures on a phone.

Nervous - A few issues, not sure, but it is possible that your dads car is a SULEV car?? If so, all SULEV components are warrantied for 15 years / 150k miles. This is something to clearly check into. The other issue is there has been a VERY high failure rate of the HPFP in the E9x series cars and it may be a similar pump in your dads car? I would be contacting BMW NA as they may pay for some or all of the repair, but the car is 7 years old, so it may be barking up a tree.

I would get the car away from the dealer if there is no help from BMW NA and get an indy to do the job. If the 760 is like all the other cars, you can probably replace the pump from inside the car???

Hanna, sorry I did not get back to you. You can typically replace the pumps with 3/4 or less fuel in the tank, the less the better. More than 3/4 tank, when you open up the top of the tank, you will have quite a bit of fuel pour out, luckily it will not pour into the car, but all over the top of the tank and it will leak all over the ground. Yes, get a new clamp. You MUST put the rubber seal on the lip of the tank opening, NOT on the fuel pump.

As for a DIY, there are plenty out there and this is a really easy job except for the fuel pump gasket. On the E39's I slide the pump through the gasket, get the float and float arm into the tank, then slide the gasket back down and insert the groove in the side on the tank opening lip, not sure this is as easy on the E46, may be best just to put the gasket on the tank first, but it depending on how much room you need to work the pump into the tank.
 
#152 ·
my fuel pump went out around 160K, wife's got 150K still going on original fuel pump. Getting nervous as it is our vacation car, so I may be doing this soon regardless....
 
#154 ·
A day after the pump replacement filled the car up and the gas started pouring from underneath the car. Not good. I thought I reinstalled the gasket correctly but apparently not. I opened the cover up and sure enough the gas was sipping from that gasket. Lost quite a bit of gas. The old gasket was stretched and probably got jammed somewhere. Bought a new one today, $27 (oh well), and will be reinstalling it in the evening. I would recommend getting a NEW gasket if you do this repair!
 
#155 ·
Hanna,

Your old gasket is probably fine.

The usual problem is most people put the gasket on the sending unit/cover and then install the pump and gasket into the tank. THIS IS NOT THE CORRECT WAY TO INSTALL THE GASKET!!

You will see small cut or groove in the outer edge of the gasket, this cut or groove needs to be installed on the lip of the fuel tank opening, then the pump is dropped into the gasket while it is installed on the fuel tank lip.

Sometimes it is a bit tricky to feed the float and float arm into the tank with the gasket on installed on the tank lip, at least my E39 M5 is this way, so I thread the pump through the gasket, then feed the float and float arm into the tank, snap the pump into the bottom of the tank, at least my M5 needs the actual pump snapped into the bottom tank baffle, not sure the standard E46 is this way, then I slide the gasket down the pump housing and install the gasket on the lip of the fuel tank opening, then seat the pump.

What throws a lot of people is usually when you remove the sending unit, the gasket sticks to the sending unit and pulls out of the tank, so many try to install the gasket mounted on the sending unit.

AGAIN, THE GASKET IS NOT INSTALLED ON THE SENDING UNIT/COVER, IT MUST BE INSTALLED ON THE FUEL TANK OPENING LIP, THE FUEL TANK LIP SLIPS INTO THE SLIT IN THE SIDE OF THE GASKET!
 
#156 ·
Fixed my mistake today. I installed the gasket upside down yesterday! The crazy thing is that it kinda fit but obviously was leaking. Filled her up today and all is good. Stupid girls ( like me) should probably not work on cars but on the other hand you live and learn :)
 
#158 · (Edited)
Great post OP. I agree doing a PM on FP and other key component parts that when they fail will get your stranded, is a smart thing to do.

Op based on your explanation below of what a soft failure does, am I correct to think that soft failure is caused by the bad non-elec pump rather than elec pump that's being discussed in your thread?

"Note about soft failures on the fuel pump

Some of the fuel pumps are soft failing. This means they work and you do not have issues starting your car, but they can cause intermittent hesitation, misfiring, stalling as well as problems running out of fuel when the tank is about 1/4 full. This is due to low pressure and/or volume causing the siphon or suction jet pump that transfers fuel from one side of the tank to the pump side to not transfer fuel correctly. What happens is you still have fuel in the non electric pump side, but the electric pump side runs out of fuel. This usually happens with 1/4 of fuel showing on the gauge. The hesitation, misfiring and stalling is usually again to low pressure and/or volume from a weak fuel pump."
 
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