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Old 01-08-2017, 08:37 PM   #1
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18" Wheels & Tires, Read Before Buying !

It's a common mistake for a forum member to install Heavy 18" wheels & tires on their Non-M Bimmer. Most guys never think about the consequences of adding 10 to 20% in unsprung weight when they're shopping for their new 18's. Then once their new heavy 18's are installed they wonder why they're Bimmer feels Dull & Under Powered like it just lost 20 HP. This Dull & Sluggish feeling is Especially noticed on the smaller motor chassis like 323, 325, and ALL Xi Bimmers. The key to making your new 18" wheels & tires feel great is to make them lighter than the stock OE wheels & tires that are coming off your Bimmer. In many cases it's possible to achieve a 10 to 15% unsprung weight reduction even when on a budget, this 10 to 15% reduction will yield Great Benefits to the chassis in both handling & acceleration. Another key ingredient is to buy a Square Setup, a square setup means that all your new 18" wheels are exactly the same size & all the new tires are the same size. With a square setup your Bimmer will handle better plus you'll now be able to rotate your tires front to rear to achieve better tire wear.

My "Go To" lightweight tire is the Continental brand, then sometimes Hankook & others when they make a lightweight option. My current three favorite choices are 1) Continental DWS 06 Ultra High Performance All-Season, 2) Hankook Ventus V12 EV02 which is a Max Performance Summer, & 3) Continental DW which is a Max Performance Summer, None of these tires are rated number 1 in their class, but all are considered excellent choices & get very high marks in different tire tests, not to mention that they are highly rated by the customers that purchase them. The main reason I like them so much & recommend them to E46Fanatics members is they're typically the lightest possible tire you can buy, if you were to look at any independent tire test where there's a Top 10 list, the Continental tires are almost always going to be the lightweight tire champ.

The trick to picking your 18" wheels & keeping them light is to Not go to big on the wheel width & tire width. I would recommend keeping your wheel width at 8" & choosing a 215/40-18 tire size. Besides all of the previously mentioned things, a typical 18 x 8" and 215/40-18 can be very cost effective vs their bigger and heavier 18" cousins. Here are 17 decent wheel choices from forum sponsor Tire Rack in a 18 x 8", the price point of these 17 different wheels ranges from $128 to $175 with a weight between roughly ~20 lbs to ~22 lbs.

Tire Rack wheels: (Enter) Diameter = 18", Weight = 19 to 21 lbs, Sort By = Lowest to Highest.
https://www.tirerack.com/wheels/resu...=Sport+Package

Now when we add a 215/40-18 XL* Continental DWS 06 (All-Season) at 18.6 lbs, Hankook Ventus V12 EV02 (Summer) at 19 lbs, and the Continental DW (Summer) at 19.4 lbs we get the Amazing Unsprung Weight of ~38.6 lbs to ~41.4 lbs, with an average weight of roughly ~40 lbs per 18" wheel & tire. When you mount & drive 18" wheels & tires that weigh in at roughly 40 lbs, you'll be AMAZED at how Great & Nimble your Bimmer now feels.

Last but not least: Remember that a slightly smaller set of high grip tires like the 215/40-18's I've posted will be equal to OR outperform a larger set of "Less" performance oriented high mileage tires.

Here is a picture of a Non-M E46 running 18 x 8" ET22 with 215/40-18 tires.


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* When purchasing a 215/40-18, They MUST be an XL Load Range tire to meet your needed load requirements.
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Old 01-08-2017, 10:35 PM   #2
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Go 215/40/18 instead of 225/40/18 on style 67 rims correct
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Old 01-08-2017, 10:46 PM   #3
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Great info Rob.

Keeping in the spirt of the thread I like these

https://www.tirerack.com/wheels/Whee...=Sport+Package
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Old 01-08-2017, 10:51 PM   #4
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Go 215/40/18 instead of 225/40/18 on style 67 rims correct
Both choices will work well.

225/40-18 = ~25.1" Overall Diameter

215/40-18 = ~24.8" Overall Diameter

Besides the great probability of less tire weight with a 215/40-18, there's also roughly a 1% Better performance gear ratio with the 215/40-18. Certainly 1% is not something to get excited about, but all of these things add up; The net result ends up being better driving pleasure.

So why don't you narrow it down to a few choices that you're interested in & then give links to those tires on forum sponsor tire rack, I'll look them over & give you some thoughts.



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Old 01-08-2017, 11:05 PM   #5
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Great info Rob.

Keeping in the spirt of the thread I like these

https://www.tirerack.com/wheels/Whee...=Sport+Package

Yep, I like those wheels too, if someone bought those exact wheels & put the Continental DWS 06 tires on them the wheel/tire weight becomes ~39.2 lbs; Trust me when I say that's something to get excited about !



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This is great information, less bling, more performance!

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The tires I found the lightest tires I went for in my area Lake Tahoe Nv our the 225/40R18 Falken pro G4 a/s coming in at 22lbs. With the the style 67 ( 24.2508lbs) rims the total weight is about 46 lbs each rim and tire.
The stock style 17inch 44 rim comes little over (23.00lbs)
Rob43 I hope I did ok..
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The tires I found the lightest tires I went for in my area Lake Tahoe Nv our the 225/40R18 Falken pro G4 a/s coming in at 22lbs. With the the style 67 ( 24.2508lbs) rims the total weight is about 46 lbs each rim and tire.
The stock style 17inch 44 rim comes little over (23.00lbs)
Rob43 I hope I did ok..

Well...

I get ~24.7 lbs for a style 67 wheel that's 18x8" (11.23kg X 2.2 = ~24.7), assuming that the Falkens are ~22.0 lbs you should be at 46.7 lbs. But I always like to add 1 lbs extra because that's how these wheels & tires end up, so figure roughly ~47.5 to ~48 lbs if you weighed them on an accurate digital bathroom scale.

Certainly that's better that the typical 49 to 52 lbs 18" wheel & tire weight range.



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Well that's good too hear I didn't pass the 49+ range thanks rob43
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Here's some good info I found within this forum but I believe the weight is for wheel minus the tire:

Style 68
17 X 7.5 front with 225/45/17 offset ET 41 - 9.50Kg
17 X 8.5 front with 245/40/17 offset ET 50 - 9.92Kg

Style 72
18 X 8 front with 225/40/18 offset ET 47 - 10.27kg
18 X 8.5 front with 255/35/18 offset ET 50 - 11.78kg

Style 135
18 X 8 front with 225/40/18 offset ET 47 - 11.23kg
18 X 8.5 front with 255/35/18 offset ET 50 - 11.93Kg
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I think that title needs some simplifying to reach the audience who needs to read it, but great write! We'd also love an alignment guide!!
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Here's some good info I found within this forum but I believe the weight is for wheel minus the tire:

Style 68
17 X 7.5 front with 225/45/17 offset ET 41 - 9.50Kg
17 X 8.5 front with 245/40/17 offset ET 50 - 9.92Kg

Style 72
18 X 8 front with 225/40/18 offset ET 47 - 10.27kg
18 X 8.5 front with 255/35/18 offset ET 50 - 11.78kg

Style 135
18 X 8 front with 225/40/18 offset ET 47 - 11.23kg
18 X 8.5 front with 255/35/18 offset ET 50 - 11.93Kg

Yep, those are all just wheel weights....

Then add the tire weight + 1* lbs = Your Actual Real World Total



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I think that title needs some simplifying to reach the audience who needs to read it, but great write! We'd also love an alignment guide!!
I'm certainly open to your top two suggestions.



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I'm certainly open to your top two suggestions

"Offset the side effects of 18" rims"
"READ BEFORE BUYING 18 RIMZ"
or more realistically: "18" rims: read before buying tires"
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Here's some good info I found within this forum but I believe the weight is for wheel minus the tire:

Style 68
17 X 7.5 front with 225/45/17 offset ET 41 - 9.50Kg
17 X 8.5 front with 245/40/17 offset ET 50 - 9.92Kg

Style 72
18 X 8 front with 225/40/18 offset ET 47 - 10.27kg
18 X 8.5 front with 255/35/18 offset ET 50 - 11.78kg

Style 135
18 X 8 front with 225/40/18 offset ET 47 - 11.23kg
18 X 8.5 front with 255/35/18 offset ET 50 - 11.93Kg
The style 135 weights are incorrect. I have a set and weighed them on multiple scales. My guess is you pulled your info from http://felgenkatalog.auto-treff.com/ Like everything on the internet sometimes mistakes are made.

Edit: No tire or wheel weights on the 135's when weighed.

Correct in info
18x8 - 12.77 kg (28.094 lb)
18x8.5 - 12.79 kg (28.138 lb)
The offset for the rear is also 51 not 50

They are great looking wheels but the weight stinks I noticed a huge difference when I install the 18x9 apex wheels on my car that are 18.65 pounds. Currently I'm down 10pounds on each corner from 53 to 43. More could be had per corner if I went with the Continental's (21 pounds for the 245's or 23 for the 255's). Had I already not invested in Michelins PSS's 255/35/18's for the rear I would might have gone with the Continental's.
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Here's some good info I found within this forum but I believe the weight is for wheel minus the tire:

Style 68
17 X 7.5 front with 225/45/17 offset ET 41 - 9.50Kg
17 X 8.5 front with 245/40/17 offset ET 50 - 9.92Kg
If I'm derailing the thread asking a question about style 68s,which are 17s, I'll start another thread.
I'm staggered and want squared, conflicting opinions on whether to put the fronts on the back, or visa versa. I understand spacers may need to be installed. I know Rob knows . Want the best street handling, I could care less about stance. Springs are Eibach Pro Kit on sports suspension.


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If I'm derailing the thread asking a question about style 68s,which are 17s, I'll start another thread.
I'm staggered and want squared, conflicting opinions on whether to put the fronts on the back, or visa versa. I understand spacers may need to be installed. I know Rob knows . Want the best street handling, I could care less about stance. Springs are Eibach Pro Kit on sports suspension.


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For excellent handling, run style 68's square in a 17 x 8.5" setup. For the lightest unsprung weight, buy the Continental DW in a 245/40-17, they only weigh 21.3 lbs each. Forum sponsor tire rack has them on sale for ~$112 each which is a deal...

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Bridgestone Potenza S-04 Pole Position
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Pirelli P Zero Nero GT

Tire size 245/40-18

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...y.jsp?ttid=190
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For excellent handling, run style 68's square in a 17 x 8.5" setup. For the lightest unsprung weight, buy the Continental DW in a 245/40-17, they only weigh 21.3 lbs each. Forum sponsor tire rack has them on sale for ~$112 each which is a deal...

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Wow, im at 37 lbs with my 17" set of wheels! we consider it here lightweight and everybody goes crazy about the fact that I went from 18 to 17 inch wheels. Btw I'm using the oz allegeritas with Dunlop Sport maxx rt 2. Not the lightest piece of rubber but with a lot of grip.

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