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Old 03-25-2017, 12:37 PM   #21
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Definitely needs to be stickied. Very good info, and will hopefully give an immediate answer to a very common question.
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Old 03-25-2017, 12:38 PM   #22
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Havoline Dexron VI is no longer available. They are updating to a more universal ATF that meets GM spec, among others.
Thanks for the info. List updated.
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Old 03-26-2017, 02:29 PM   #23
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I noticed you put Redline D4 under the ZF but D6 under the GM.

Redline D4 lists that it is Texaco ETL8072 compatible. Doing just a drain and fill with a new filter, I want to match the old fluid as closely as I can since I won't get a few remaining quarts out.

Is there any reason why D6 would be better than D4 in the GM trans?


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Old 03-26-2017, 04:29 PM   #24
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I noticed you put Redline D4 under the ZF but D6 under the GM.

Redline D4 lists that it is Texaco ETL8072 compatible. Doing just a drain and fill with a new filter, I want to match the old fluid as closely as I can since I won't get a few remaining quarts out.

Is there any reason why D6 would be better than D4 in the GM trans?
I couldn't tell you which ATF is better than another for a given AT, and this thread specifically avoids that. We're simply listing the ones claimed to be compatible with LT71141 and Dexron VI.

D4 lists as compatible with LT71141.
https://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=51&pcid=9

D6 lists as compatible with Dexron VI.
https://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=115&pcid=9
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Old 04-02-2017, 12:56 PM   #25
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Why not just use Pentosin?


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Old 04-02-2017, 02:51 PM   #26
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Why not just use Pentosin?
Pentosin ATF 1 is on the ZF list. It's not Dexron VI rated, so not on the GM list.
http://www.pentosin.net/specsheets/pentosin_atf1.pdf
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Old 04-07-2017, 10:48 AM   #27
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I've now done two drain/fills in the last 400 miles using the Febi LT71141 ATF (Fluid was super nasty, so I let the first fill mix and then repeated). I'll try and report back on how it works, but I like that it (a) claims only LT71141 and Dex3 compatibility, so it's not some crazy generic fluid that meets a lot of standards, and (b) you can get it for around $8 a liter from RM Euro, which I believe is the cheapest for a non-universal style fluid.

On an unrelated note, I don't know that I'd recommend using it as I'm not a huge fan of "universal" style oils that claim tons of compatibility, but if you're in a pinch, the Walmart Supertech Multi-Vehicle Low Viscosity ATF claims LT71141 compatibility and claims to be "full synthetic," though we know how loose the rules are on the usage of that term in the USA. As mentioned, it also claims about a zillion other compatibilities, and in ATF I am a believer in less truly being more. Here's a link: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Super-Tec...1-gal/52626199
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Old 04-07-2017, 12:59 PM   #28
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I've now done two drain/fills in the last 400 miles using the Febi LT71141 ATF (Fluid was super nasty, so I let the first fill mix and then repeated). I'll try and report back on how it works, but I like that it (a) claims only LT71141 and Dex3 compatibility, so it's not some crazy generic fluid that meets a lot of standards, and (b) you can get it for around $8 a liter from RM Euro, which I believe is the cheapest for a non-universal style fluid.

On an unrelated note, I don't know that I'd recommend using it as I'm not a huge fan of "universal" style oils that claim tons of compatibility, but if you're in a pinch, the Walmart Supertech Multi-Vehicle Low Viscosity ATF claims LT71141 compatibility and claims to be "full synthetic," though we know how loose the rules are on the usage of that term in the USA. As mentioned, it also claims about a zillion other compatibilities, and in ATF I am a believer in less truly being more. Here's a link: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Super-Tec...1-gal/52626199
Added the Super-Tech LV to the ZF list. Thanks!

I've also been using the Febi for a while with no issues.
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Old 04-11-2017, 09:50 AM   #29
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Pentosin ATF 1 is on the ZF list. It's not Dexron VI rated, so not on the GM list.
http://www.pentosin.net/specsheets/pentosin_atf1.pdf
For the record, it's not the best fluid for the GM 390R, but it works great in place of Maxlife..

Bought it @ AutoZone clearance for $2 a quart and had a fluid exchange yesterday

Feels as good if not better than Maxlife I had put in there before, 60,000 ago

From what I can tell, it's a souped up version of Dex III meant to last longer, possessing slightly different additive packages and better base oil than the standard spec

I will say while not officially the latest and greatest Dex 6 spec, but it works great.

I would modify the change interval this go around and require a 30k severe service interval vs the 60,000 the Maxlife, especially since a drain and refill was done without filter and pan.. but from what I've been reading its better than plain jane Dex 3 in there..

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Old 04-11-2017, 09:54 AM   #30
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Bought it @ AutoZone clearance for $2 a quart and had a fluid exchange yesterday
You got Pentosin ATF for $2 a liter? When? Was it on display or behind the counter? I will totally make an autozone run and clean them out if they've got some.
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You got Pentosin ATF for $2 a liter? When? Was it on display or behind the counter? I will totally make an autozone run and clean them out if they've got some.
Hint: They have a yearly inventory blow out

This was about a month ago I purchased it

Front of store..On a clearance rack with Pentosin LV ATF too, which I skipped.
Look for an island next time, around the time everyone on the internet posts about Autozone clearance sales

Would imagine you'll be very happy like I was..

My total was like something silly like $14 for all the bottles

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This is a great thread, and you don't have to overthink it. Thank you!


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For the ZF 5HP19 trans, the only fluids that are actually suitable according to the LT 71141 spec are these:

ZF Lifeguard5:
Pentosin ATF1:
Febi No. 14738:
Fuchs Titan 5005:

In order of preference.
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For the ZF 5HP19 trans, the only fluids that are actually suitable according to the LT 71141 spec are these:

ZF Lifeguard5:
Pentosin ATF1:
Febi No. 14738:
Fuchs Titan 5005:

In order of preference.
How is this determined? Other than what the bottle says on the back, I don't know anything about it.
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Old 04-19-2017, 06:44 PM   #35
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For the ZF 5HP19 trans, the only fluids that are actually suitable according to the LT 71141 spec are these:

ZF Lifeguard5:
Pentosin ATF1:
Febi No. 14738:
Fuchs Titan 5005:

In order of preference.
All the fluids listed under ZF claim to be LT 71141 compliant.
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ZF approved ATF are according to ZF TE-ML 11B listing here:

https://www.zf.com/global/media/en_z...s/TE-ML_11.pdf

Note that ATF-1 is now listed as a Fuchs product, Pentosin was bought out by Fuchs.

I use and recommend only ATF-1 having the exact performance properties suitable for the 5HP19 and is 100% synthetic fluid. Not a blend.

ATF-1 is not dyed red, it is natural amber color. With red colored fluid, there is no way to know what fluid is in the trans except it is for sure not ATF-1.
Low cost should not be a factor in the choice of ATF. The specification is crucial. I buy 5 liter jugs for about $56 on Amazon, and is a reasonable price, about $11.20/liter.

Also, it's worth mentioning that the "lifetime" fluid fill does not officially apply for severe service applications, where fluid changes are recommended by ZF. See TE-ML 11 for details.

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All the fluids listed under ZF claim to be LT 71141 compliant.
Yes, nothing wrong with your list. However, certain ATFs such as ATF-1 are more compliant than others.
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Maybe you can vet first for changes, then add from my old thread:

Automatic:

You should change your automatic transmission fluid and filter with OE or OE-spec'd high-quality fluid every 50-75k miles.

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=923563
What transmission filter would you recommend?

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Old Today, 12:50 AM   #39
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What filter would you recommend?
Mango lists it right in his thread!

"Oil Filters

You can use any OE-spec parts store filter in a pinch, but I recommend using Mahle or Mann OE-quality/OEM filters.

Mahle supplies filters to BMWs for their ///M cars. Mann supplies for non-M. Both are fine but I prefer Mahle--the quality seems more robust/high-end. Part number: 11427512300"
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Mango lists it right in his thread!

"Oil Filters

You can use any OE-spec parts store filter in a pinch, but I recommend using Mahle or Mann OE-quality/OEM filters.

Mahle supplies filters to BMWs for their ///M cars. Mann supplies for non-M. Both are fine but I prefer Mahle--the quality seems more robust/high-end. Part number: 11427512300"
Thanks. I was asking about the transmission filter though. I looked up that part number and that is an engine oil filter.
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