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Old 04-11-2017, 11:15 AM   #81
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If the US didn't meddle in Syria, Assad wouldn't be going anywhere.
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Old 04-11-2017, 11:22 AM   #82
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Then to avoid the appearance of a double standard .
Double standard is the cornerstone of America's FP.

Like how do we allow Israel to maintain an apartheid state, occupy and seize territory that is against international law and bulldoze homes of families, yet we criticize other nations for "human rights abuses".

Unfortunately, there is a long list of double standards when it comes to FP, but when there are widespread images of kids being killed by chemical weapons (that most of the world agrees were used by Assad's forces), politically and morally, the U.S. should act-IMO.

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Old 04-11-2017, 11:24 AM   #83
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If the US didn't meddle in Syria, Assad wouldn't be going anywhere.
Syria is a proxy. If its not the US, it is Russia, Saudi, Iran, Turkey, etc. You cant blame the US for this one. We're certainly not helping and there have been a lot of mistakes, but the US doesn't own this one.
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Double standard is the cornerstone of America's FP.

Like how do we allow Israel to maintain an apartheid state, occupy and seize territory that is against international law and bulldoze homes of families, yet we criticize other nations for "human rights abuses".

Unfortunately, there is a long list of double standards when it comes to FP, but when there are widespread images of kids being killed by chemical weapons (that most of the world agrees were used by Assad's forces), politically and morally, the U.S. should act-IMO.
You are a moron.
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Old 04-11-2017, 12:29 PM   #86
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Syria is a proxy. If its not the US, it is Russia, Saudi, Iran, Turkey, etc. You cant blame the US for this one. We're certainly not helping and there have been a lot of mistakes, but the US doesn't own this one.
Why don't you sit this one out. Clearly you know absolutely nothing about the middle east (and apparently english), so go back to the kiddie table.

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Double standard is the cornerstone of America's FP.

Like how do we allow Israel to maintain an apartheid state, occupy and seize territory that is against international law and bulldoze homes of families, yet we criticize other nations for "human rights abuses".

Unfortunately, there is a long list of double standards when it comes to FP, but when there are widespread images of kids being killed by chemical weapons (that most of the world agrees were used by Assad's forces), politically and morally, the U.S. should act-IMO.


For some reason no one ever questions whether the Syrians actually possessed or produced Sarin.

The OPCW oversaw destruction of both stockpiles and production facilities for CWs.

The OPCW never mentions Sarin or the capacity to make it. In fact, they specifically mention binary agents that are safe if left unmixed but must be mixed to be weaponized.

"What types of chemicals were transported and destroyed?

The Syrian chemical warfare programme was based primarily on binary systems, which means two toxic substances have to be brought together to create a highly toxic chemical warfare agent. These less toxic substances comprised the large bulk of the chemicals that were removed from Syria aboard Danish and Norwegian cargo vessels (MV Ark Futura and MV Taiko, respectively), together with a far smaller quantity of ready-to-use sulfur mustard, a blistering agent.

Such toxic chemicals are routinely transported around the world and there are specific laws and regulations in place regarding their safe transportation. All of the chemicals removed from Syria were stored in bulk containers and drums; they were not contained within bombs, shells or warheads and there were no explosives associated with them."

https://www.opcw.org/special-section...ked-questions/

Syria fully complied with the OPCW and UN inspectors and actually sped up removal of the CWs with respect to the original timeline.
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Speaking of missiles: local employer Aerojet is leaving its facility in Rancho Cordova (right next to Sacramento), which it has operated for decades, to Huntsville, Alabama. Some admin jobs will be moving to Los Angeles, but most will be leaving the state. This means a loss of about 1,100 good jobs for the area.

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Just looked at Raytheon's product line....holy sh!t they make a lot of stuff.
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Speaking of missiles: local employer Aerojet is leaving its facility in Rancho Cordova (right next to Sacramento), which it has operated for decades, to Huntsville, Alabama. Some admin jobs will be moving to Los Angeles, but most will be leaving the state. This means a loss of about 1,100 good jobs for the area.

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Syrian govt has no chemical weapons, ‘absolutely no need to use it’ – Russian MoD https://www.rt.com/news/384408-syria...eapons-russia/


"Out of 12 facilities used for storing and producing chemical weapons, ten 10 were destroyed as confirmed by the OPCW experts. The Syrian government has no access to the remaining two 2 facilities as they are located on a territory controlled by the so-called opposition,” Rudskoy said at the briefing, adding that it remains unclear if the chemical weapons stored at these two facilities had been destroyed."


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"Out of 12 facilities used for storing and producing chemical weapons, ten 10 were destroyed as confirmed by the OPCW experts. The Syrian government has no access to the remaining two 2 facilities as they are located on a territory controlled by the so-called opposition,” Rudskoy said at the briefing, adding that it remains unclear if the chemical weapons stored at these two facilities had been destroyed."


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I wouldnt put too much stock into what Russia says on the issue, but I do think it wasn't Assad.


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Agreed. That's why I reference the actual OPCW report above.

Granted RT will put their spin on it but at least they referenced an independent report.

There IS actual evidence of Syrian cooperation if anyone bothers to look.

Glad you have an open mind.
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Agreed. That's why I reference the actual OPCW report above.

Granted RT will put their spin on it but at least they referenced an independent report.

There IS actual evidence of Syrian cooperation if anyone bothers to look.

Glad you have an open mind.
I am always fascinated when Americans are willing to believe or rationalize the comments of officials in other countries, including our enemies, and are absolutely certain their own country's officials are lying to them. Not saying one or the both aren't sometimes true, just making an observation. I first observed this regarding Saddam Hussein and his WMDs, and was fascinated with how many Americans were absolutely certain he had no WMDs ("Why would he lie?") and equally certain Bush/Cheney were lying so they could get Iraq's oil ("they always lie!"), etc. It seems we have a lot of oikophobics in this country.
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For some reason no one ever questions whether the Syrians actually possessed or produced Sarin.

The OPCW oversaw destruction of both stockpiles and production facilities for CWs.

The OPCW never mentions Sarin or the capacity to make it. In fact, they specifically mention binary agents that are safe if left unmixed but must be mixed to be weaponized.

"What types of chemicals were transported and destroyed?

The Syrian chemical warfare programme was based primarily on binary systems, which means two toxic substances have to be brought together to create a highly toxic chemical warfare agent. These less toxic substances comprised the large bulk of the chemicals that were removed from Syria aboard Danish and Norwegian cargo vessels (MV Ark Futura and MV Taiko, respectively), together with a far smaller quantity of ready-to-use sulfur mustard, a blistering agent.

Such toxic chemicals are routinely transported around the world and there are specific laws and regulations in place regarding their safe transportation. All of the chemicals removed from Syria were stored in bulk containers and drums; they were not contained within bombs, shells or warheads and there were no explosives associated with them."

https://www.opcw.org/special-section...ked-questions/

Syria fully complied with the OPCW and UN inspectors and actually sped up removal of the CWs with respect to the original timeline.
I happen to agree that the whole thing is a bit more suspicious than most western media outlets are suggesting. If Assad did not have a history of such acts however, I think there would be more questioning.

So what are you suggesting may have happened with this specific attack?
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You are a moron.

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Why don't you sit this one out. Clearly you know absolutely nothing about the middle east (and apparently english), so go back to the kiddie table.

Great responses. By resorting to personal attacks, I think you show who really belongs at the kiddie table.

If you're trying to some how imply that there are no double standards in US foreign policy with respect to the clear violations of human rights by Israel and the treatment of human rights abuses by other nations then you're either so biased you cant see straight or you're lying yourself.

In any case, you're showing that you're in no position debate these issues in an unbiased way, much less to call anybody a moron.

Please, do tell me what I know about the Middle East. Im dying to hear.
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