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Old 05-05-2004, 09:32 AM   #1
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e30 handling vs e46 handling?

One of the few e30 guys keeps saying their e30 318 can whip my e46 325 anytime... Is this true? I honestly hope its not!

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Old 05-05-2004, 09:38 AM   #2
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Ummm.... NO

I love my E30 325i but the E36 and E46 chassis handle a LOT better.


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One of the few e30 guys keeps saying their e30 318 can whip my e46 325 anytime... Is this true? I honestly hope its not!

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Old 05-05-2004, 09:42 AM   #3
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I'm trying to tell them that BMW engineers are smart people and over the years they MUST have refined and improved the handling over the e30... But they just don't get it. I hope I'm right. :p
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I'm trying to tell them that BMW engineers are smart people and over the years they MUST have refined and improved the handling over the e30... But they just don't get it. I hope I'm right. :p
They seem to have gone downhill with the M3.

Then again the E36 and E46 aren't race cars. At least the E30 M3 has the claim of being one of only two race cars built by the Motorsport division - BMW Engineering has built all the rest of the race cars.
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Old 05-05-2004, 09:50 AM   #5
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You mean the M division did not build the e36 and e46 M car?
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Old 05-05-2004, 10:01 AM   #6
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You mean the M division did not build the e36 and e46 M car?
No, the M Division built those cars but they are not race cars. I find it ironic that MOTORSPORT has only built to race cars in their history.

Few probably know the relevance this company has to the early M Division days.
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Old 05-05-2004, 10:25 AM   #7
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i think he means this about the e30m3

they first built the e-30m3 to race at the different tracks. then after they race and won they built same car for the public and for the streets. they said he was the same car that they had on the track but the

e-36m3 was not built to go on the track the m division just made the e-30m3
better and they sold it to the public but the e-46 m3 they did the same thing
but they are racing the car but it as a different engine so they can't say that the e-46m3 was made first to race like they say about the e-30m3 but very
model was better than the last in different ways.

i went to watkins glen last yr with 6 e-30m3 they are about 400 to 500 lbs
lighter than the e-46m3 and they came with a 411 rear end to make them faster with their 4 banger. the e46 m3 comes with a 364 rear end because it as a more powerful engine and b/c of the lower rear end it as a higher top end. that is way now they have a 411 and 433 rear end for the e46m3 to make it fasteri say with a 433 rear end car will be around a sec. faster in 1/4 mile but it cost a good 3,000.00 to do it it is not cheap. but that is the best bang for a buck you can do you will gain i say a good 50 lbs of torq. with that change.
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No, the M Division built those cars but they are not race cars. I find it ironic that MOTORSPORT has only built to race cars in their history.

Few probably know the relevance this company has to the early M Division days.

Please do tell. I'm curious now.

edit: nevermind, I think I got it from here...
http://www.bmwworld.com/models/m_30th.htm

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they first built the e-30m3 to race at the different tracks. then after they race and won they built same car for the public and for the streets. they said he was the same car that they had on the track but the

e-36m3 was not built to go on the track the m division just made the e-30m3
better and they sold it to the public but the e-46 m3 they did the same thing
but they are racing the car but it as a different engine so they can't say that the e-46m3 was made first to race like they say about the e-30m3 but very
model was better than the last in different ways.

i went to watkins glen last yr with 6 e-30m3 they are about 400 to 500 lbs
lighter than the e-46m3 and they came with a 411 rear end to make them faster with their 4 banger. the e46 m3 comes with a 364 rear end because it as a more powerful engine and b/c of the lower rear end it as a higher top end. that is way now they have a 411 and 433 rear end for the e46m3 to make it fasteri say with a 433 rear end car will be around a sec. faster in 1/4 mile but it cost a good 3,000.00 to do it it is not cheap. but that is the best bang for a buck you can do you will gain i say a good 50 lbs of torq. with that change.
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I'm sure there is some wonderful information in this post, but I can't understand a word of it.



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Please do tell. I'm curious now.

edit: nevermind, I think I got it from here...
http://www.bmwworld.com/models/m_30th.htm
That's the short version, yes. Good job on the link.
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Old 05-05-2004, 11:39 AM   #10
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Let's not talk about the M cars... its about regular e30 vs regular e46.
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Old 05-05-2004, 12:15 PM   #11
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Power to weight could be close as the E46 is heavy and the E30 is light. Then thinking about how light the e30 is might give it some advantage in the the corners.

Hard to say really. Coolest thing I saw was a rather beat up stock E30 325 or perhaps 318 on street tires kicking everyone's ass. The driver was so smooth and clean that he was driving the pants off everyone else. The autoX instructor (Steve Hazard) told me that if that guy was on Rs he thought he would be challenging everyone. All of that from a stock e30.
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Kick your ass how? In a straight line, no contest, you'd walk all over him.

But the E30 is fairly light. With good tires he'd run rings around you in the corners. E30 is a great autox car.

As for M cars, the E30 M3 is the best handling M3 in my opinion. If anything, it's the lightest and therefore has the most potential as a race car. But without power modding, it's somewhat slow (we're talking 323/325 speed).
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I do not believe that the E30 318 can outhandle the E46 325ci. I have a E30 318i and my dad has a E46 330ci. I have driven both and the E46 is much more solid than my E30. To further prove my point, my E30 318 was lagging behind the Calaveras run. Given that I was trying to follow a E46 330ci (Mauyln). My car was starting to drift and Mauyln's car was still solid and hugging the corners. Okay the specs on my E30 318: Bilstein Sport Shocks/Koni Spings and Sways Bars. Now my dad's E46 330: Bilstein PSS9s/UUC SwayBarbarians/Ground Control Rear Shock Mounts. To conclude, most likely the 318 will not outhandle your E46 325.

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I do not believe that the E30 318 can outhandle the E46 325ci. I have a E30 318i and my dad has a E46 330ci. I have driven both and the E46 is much more solid than my E30. To further prove my point, my E30 318 was lagging behind the Calaveras run. Given that I was trying to follow a E46 330ci (Mauyln). My car was starting to drift and Mauyln's car was still solid and hugging the corners. Okay the specs on my E30 318: Bilstein Sport Shocks/Koni Spings and Sways Bars. Now my dad's E46 330: Bilstein PSS9s/UUC SwayBarbarians/Ground Control Rear Shock Mounts. To conclude, most likely the 318 will not outhandle your E46 325.

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I'm sure there is some wonderful information in this post, but I can't understand a word of it.




That's the short version, yes. Good job on the link.

I'm glad I'm not the only one that doesn't understand any of his posts....
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here is my question. is he a better driver than you?

because I know some drivers that can kick my butt in my M coupe and them in their 2002 complete with old fashion weight reduction aka rust holes.

so to me it's not really a question of which car is faster, since he said he can kick your butt in his e30 versus you in your e46, the real question is, how good of a driver are you versus him.
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also his e30 318i isn't turbo charged is it? because the basic block of the e30 318i is the same as the old turbocharged BMW F1 engine. There are people making 600hp on the stock 318i block.
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Both drivers are about the same skill and his e30 is stock standard, no turbo or supercharger.
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