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Old 03-16-2017, 03:31 PM   #281
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We went between the Wrangler Unlim and the Cherokee, and ultimately decided on the latter because we have a kid, and are planning on having another at some point. More comfort, better on road characteristics, better gas mileage, etc.

Edit: And if you're buying used, it's a lot better value for the Cherokee, in my opinion. If one was looking at the same price, and similar year, the mileage on the Cherokee would be much lower than the Wrangler.
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Cut the groceries up? Why?



Are you wanting one for the looks or the capability? If you want just for looks, I'd go elsewhere as the Wrangler is immensely capable off road and quite the opposite on road.



^ This.

Though I do want a Wrangler for the off road capability...
Thanks. She's basing her suggestion mainly on looks. We do go camping and that sort of thing. We live near the saddleback mountains/Cleveland national forest in Orange county and there happen to be a lot of truck trails, but don't use them as we don't have the vehicle for it.

I'm concerned with comfort, and it sounds like the Cherokee might fit us better although I think it's ugly af. How is the reliability with those?
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Old 03-16-2017, 03:42 PM   #282
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How is the Wrangled Unlimited for a family? Fiance has mentioned she wants a one and her Highlander is looking crappy cosmetic wise and few other minor issues. I'm thinking of telling let's do it but we're also planning on having kids in 2018-2019.
We are very happy with ours, and I do use it as a family vehicle, and have been for the last 5 years. Holds our 2 carseats without issue, lots of storage space, CAN BE made VERY VERY safe. In stock form not so much. It has lots of drawbacks, especially if you get a stripper model with a soft top. 8 times out of 10, you'd be better off with the Grand Cherokee or a Durango. More comfortable, roomier, etc. The GC has a pinched roof which intrudes on cargo area. If you are not planning on leaving pavement, I wouldn't even look at a wrangler. If you live in the part of the country where a Wrangler makes sense, I wouldn't even consider other vehicles (ie Colorado, california, Utah, Arizona, etc.)
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Old 03-16-2017, 03:44 PM   #283
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Thanks. She's basing her suggestion mainly on looks. We do go camping and that sort of thing. We live near the saddleback mountains/Cleveland national forest in Orange county and there happen to be a lot of truck trails, but don't use them as we don't have the vehicle for it.

I'm concerned with comfort, and it sounds like the Cherokee might fit us better although I think it's ugly af. How is the reliability with those?
A trailhawk GC would have little issue with most things found on the east-ish coast. A Wrangler just gives you A LOT more options if you're a fan of the outdoor lifestyle. The options for a Wrangler are literally endless.
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Thanks. She's basing her suggestion mainly on looks. We do go camping and that sort of thing. We live near the saddleback mountains/Cleveland national forest in Orange county and there happen to be a lot of truck trails, but don't use them as we don't have the vehicle for it.

I'm concerned with comfort, and it sounds like the Cherokee might fit us better although I think it's ugly af. How is the reliability with those?
I'll tell you what I tell everyone who's in the market for a Cherokee (none of them listen though), if you are not going to buy the Trailhawk model, do not buy a Cherokee. A CRV/RAV4/CX5/whatever will do everything better than a non-TH Cherokee and be cheaper and better looking. That said, if you do go for the TH model, it looks worlds better and is actually capable of doing moderate to above moderate trails without a problem. It WILL NOT be as good as a Wrangler off road but on the road, it's worlds better. If you want a good compromise it's wonderful. The GC TH is even better but it's quite a lot more expensive.

Mine currently sits at ~23k miles over two years and a good amount of actual off road driving and there hasn't be any issue other than a squeaky idler pulley which was replaced under warranty. If you're going to buy used, make sure you get a MY15+ as the earlier ones have some transmission issues. Anything after is rock solid and ready to go. Even today the interior still looks great and the seats have held up extremely well.
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Old 03-16-2017, 03:50 PM   #285
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I'll tell you what I tell everyone who's in the market for a Cherokee (none of them listen though), if you are not going to buy the Trailhawk model, do not buy a Cherokee. A CRV/RAV4/CX5/whatever will do everything better than a non-TH Cherokee and be cheaper and better looking. That said, if you do go for the TH model, it looks worlds better and is actually capable of doing moderate to above moderate trails without a problem. It WILL NOT be as good as a Wrangler off road but on the road, it's worlds better. If you want a good compromise it's wonderful. The GC TH is even better but it's quite a lot more expensive.

Mine currently sits at ~23k miles over two years and a good amount of actual off road driving and there hasn't be any issue other than a squeaky idler pulley which was replaced under warranty. If you're going to buy used, make sure you get a MY15+ as the earlier ones have some transmission issues. Anything after is rock solid and ready to go. Even today the interior still looks great and the seats have held up extremely well.
The MY14's have had the transmission issues fixed, by the way. It was a programming issue at the onset, and didn't impact the MY15+'s.
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We are very happy with ours, and I do use it as a family vehicle, and have been for the last 5 years. Holds our 2 carseats without issue, lots of storage space, CAN BE made VERY VERY safe. In stock form not so much. It has lots of drawbacks, especially if you get a stripper model with a soft top. 8 times out of 10, you'd be better off with the Grand Cherokee or a Durango. More comfortable, roomier, etc. The GC has a pinched roof which intrudes on cargo area. If you are not planning on leaving pavement, I wouldn't even look at a wrangler. If you live in the part of the country where a Wrangler makes sense, I wouldn't even consider other vehicles (ie Colorado, california, Utah, Arizona, etc.)
What are the safety concerns with them? they must pass crash tests and while i understand a rollover with the soft top is not optimal it's probably better than with any convertible as it has the roof support bars
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The MY14's have had the transmission issues fixed, by the way. It was a programming issue at the onset, and didn't impact the MY15+'s.
There's more to it than that as it seems but is not something that affects every unit. There was some issue with a C clip in the transmission that could dislodge and cause a failure. This was fixed in the replacement transmission so all is ok now and the issue was pretty quick so if it hasn't happened yet, it likely won't happen at all.
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Old 03-16-2017, 04:29 PM   #288
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Old 03-16-2017, 06:32 PM   #289
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What are the safety concerns with them? they must pass crash tests and while i understand a rollover with the soft top is not optimal it's probably better than with any convertible as it has the roof support bars
Because of the door design, the can be unsafe in side impact crashes. However, when you get tires, lift, and rock rails, it changes things severely in the Jeeps favor. Front/rear crashes in stock form (plastic bumpers) make it as safe as most other passenger vehicles. Add armor to it, and it becomes a whole different story in accidents with other vehicles. Accidents with solid objects get worse.
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Old 03-23-2017, 12:58 PM   #292
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^what is this sorcery? Salt flats type of standing water or something?
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If you go fast enough you can hydroplane on just about anything, and I'd imagine all 4 wheels pulling help keep it up too. I've done ~50ft on a relatively slow four wheeler before. We would always keep our weight back to keep the front from bombing under, so I'm not sure how you would do that in a car short of just going really, really fast.
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Damn so that's legit a Lake? Like more than 5ft deep?
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Was researching some parts and came across this article cross posted by quadratec. Thought it was

http://www.autoblog.com/2017/04/03/a...esla-its-jeep/


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Old 04-14-2017, 09:49 PM   #298
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I experienced my first hint at a possible, stereotypical Chrysler issues.

My '14 Grand Cherokee (I bought brand new) has just 28,000 miles. I love it, and treat it well. Only off-roading it to the tune of going camping with the kids.

Last week, my check engine light came on. The dealer diagnosed it as a faulty oil pressure sending unit. I find that odd, since my oil pressure gauge in the EVIC reads correctly. But, under warranty, they ordered some parts. They told me it was the oil pressure sending unit. The part receipt said oil cooler. And when I took it in for the fix, they said it was the oil filter housing. I asked them to tell me exactly what they replaced, and the advisor ultimately said "I don't know - something oil related".

So I was satisfied that the check engine light was gone. But I am unsatisfied that I don't know what they did. Ultimately, it doesn't really matter. I am a bit pissed that I even had a check engine light at 28k miles. I knew I took a chance on a Chrysler product. I consider the Jeep on probabtion. I absolutely love the vehicle, even after almost.3 years of ownership. But I will sell this mother fvcker in a heartbeat if I start to see check engine lights frequently. I'll go back to other cars where I had zero problems for 150,000 miles.

On top of that, something that sounds like marbles started rolling around in the dashboard. They said they need to remove the dash and keep it for 1-3 days to find it. Not a big deal since I have another car (the 325Ci, which is in impeccable shape after 15 years). But I don't like that something has fallen off inside the dash. This might be another indicator that the quality of this Mercedes-derived Grand Cherokee might not be as good as initial impressions. I put a lot of money into my e46 to keep it pristine. But I didn't put a dime into it until about 95,000 miles. I will reduce my Jeep-enthusiasm if I have to start pumping money into it after only 28k miles.
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Most likely it's the oil filter housing...I had mine replaced on my 2014 Wrangler. It's a common issue, a fault in the plastic casting which reveals itself if the cap is put on too tightly with a ratchet (and it always is, since it's a 24mm "nut" and 24mm sockets are usually 3/4" drive so it's easy to overdo it.) The fact that these idiots don't know what exactly the part is called is not a chrysler issue, it's a dumb dealer issue. My experience with almost all dealers is that they are all dumb. In my particular case, the service manager is a cool guy and ONE mechanic in the service department is a jeeper so he knows his stuff, so the service manager makes sure my car always goes to him for everything. The marbles thing is a big trickier, and if I was in your shoes, I would try to find that yourself. Maybe it's a pen or something, but try and do it yourself, because the dealer will most likely fvck something up.

The part they replaced was https://www.moparpartsgiant.com/part...a.html.....the new number is B at the end.
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Most likely it's the oil filter housing...I had mine replaced on my 2014 Wrangler. It's a common issue, a fault in the plastic casting which reveals itself if the cap is put on too tightly with a ratchet (and it always is, since it's a 24mm "nut" and 24mm sockets are usually 3/4" drive so it's easy to overdo it.) The fact that these idiots don't know what exactly the part is called is not a chrysler issue, it's a dumb dealer issue. My experience with almost all dealers is that they are all dumb. In my particular case, the service manager is a cool guy and ONE mechanic in the service department is a jeeper so he knows his stuff, so the service manager makes sure my car always goes to him for everything. The marbles thing is a big trickier, and if I was in your shoes, I would try to find that yourself. Maybe it's a pen or something, but try and do it yourself, because the dealer will most likely fvck something up.

The part they replaced was https://www.moparpartsgiant.com/part...a.html.....the new number is B at the end.
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Dealer idiocy is an annoyance and not Chyslers fault. The fact it broke in 28k miles is Chysler's fault. The last guy to torque the filter housing was me, 3000 miles ago. I torqued it to spec, although I will add that I used this DIY so perhaps 18 lb-ft was too much http://wk2jeeps.com/engine/3.6L_oil_...ter_change.pdf

The dash cannot be any objects from a person. I don't carry anything in the front of my car. No pens. No change. Everything stays clutter free in my vehicles. It started rolling around about 1000 miles ago, and my car hasn't been in anyone else's hands for 8000 miles.

I am now scared that you seem adamant that the dealer will fvck up the dash if they take it apart. But then again, I don't want to take it apart. There is a chance I fcvk it up because I don't know what I am doing. I have been known to break something the first time I try it. Perhaps the dealer has done this before on wk2s?

Either way, i don't enjoy taking the little free time I have to deal with car problems. Part of the joy of mid life is when you achieve a point where you can buy new sh!t and don't have to worry about it breaking. If I have to start dealing with the JGC breaking with ANY level of frequency, it will be yesterday's news in my book.
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